Harvey Barnes

[duo]

He's never had a sustained run in the team - give the lad a chance imo. Has an eye for a goal.

[alexf]

He's supposed to be the fastest player at the club or something, according to their recorded times or so I heard. 

 

Just don't think we see enough of it. Maybe it's a stamina issue but he just doesn't give us the running and nuisance value that Gordon does. It's a pretty crushing blow to lose that even if it was just run the opposition tired and then bring Barnes on fresh near the end of we were in it. 

 

I'd be stunned if Eddie doesn't just go Big Joe left and Barnes remains as impact sub. He hasn't shown enough to warrant the start or the defensive discipline to play down the left with Salah there. It's a shame most of his chances have been playing right wing however.

 

It pretty much nullifies his main asset. 

[mouldy_uk]

Three games to prove his worth (probably going to limp out the first one knowing our luck)

[Nine]

2 hours ago, duo said:

He's never had a sustained run in the team - give the lad a chance imo. Has an eye for a goal.

I’m on this side of the fence to, however he has work to do on the defensive side of his game. Time on the pitch obviously helps but Howe is always giving Barnes a lot of direction mid game, I just hope he becomes more coachable as he’s getting more minutes because if he can adapt a bit and take on more responsibility he will be a great asset for us. 

 

 

Edited March 3 by Nine

[SAK]

Think the late goal heroics in the past has set expectations. He’s a good player even when not scoring or assisting, for example good dribbling ability in tight spaces and can take and retain the ball under pressure which is infinitely better than Murphy even though Murphy has been banging them in lately.

[nufcjmc]

Him playing on his preferred side might help his chances of performing better he's here for 3 games at least. 

 

As others have said if he's rotated with willock or joelinton it doesn't bode well for him staying beyond the summer. 

[Cookie1892]

i said at the time to the lads that gordon needed to come off and give Barnes a shot on the left as preferred

[The Prophet]

It's going to be class when he smashes in the winner in the final.

[Keggy_Keagal]

I'd go with Joelinton for LW for the final. I think he'd body Arnold and would also help with the cover for Salah .  

 

 

Edited March 3 by Keggy_Keagal
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[The Prophet]

If he can't nail down a place in the side I wonder if he'll review his options in the summer.

[Cookie1892]

7 minutes ago, Keggy_Keagal said:

I'd go with Joelinton for LW for the final. I think he'd body Arnold and would also help with the cover for Salah .  

 

 

 

not enough pace to trouble arnold tho and make him think about going backwards

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, Cookie1892 said:

not enough pace to trouble arnold tho and make him think about going backwards

Willock being on that side and linking up with his old mate might. 
 

Barnes rarely looks fast for us, either. Makes some clever off the ball runs, mind. 

[M1tche]

2 hours ago, Cookie1892 said:

not enough pace to trouble arnold tho and make him think about going backwards

He'd absolutely bully Trent. 

 

I'd love to the return of the 2 Joe's dovetail on the left with Barnes on the right. It'll take a massive effort from the Liverpool midfield and Trent to contain that and crossed to the back post would cause problems for them as well. 

 

Plus, with Hall out, I'd be happy to gamble leaving Tino and Salah 1 vs 1.

[The College Dropout]

Barnes does look much slower than his Leicester days. I thought he was rapid for them.

 

He's still gets to his spots and can execute mind. Much prefer him 1v1 than Gordon

[Lush Vlad]

1 minute ago, M1tche said:

He'd absolutely bully Trent. 

 

I'd love to the return of the 2 Joe's dovetail on the left with Barnes on the right. It'll take a massive effort from the Liverpool midfield and Trent to contain that and crossed to the back post would cause problems for them as well. 

 

Plus, with Hall out, I'd be happy to gamble leaving Tino and Salah 1 vs 1.

Sort of related. But what I noticed most from Big Joe back yesterday. Was that contested ball played into him in the air, or back to goal around chest height. It was suddenly an option as an out ball again. He often did well and retained possession, or turned away from his man. 
 

I know his passing is still loose and he nearly gave a goal away. But considering how poor our build up is at times. It’s a great option to have. Especially if he is in that hybrid left channel sort of role he plays. Where he will be able to isolate the full back in the air or to get his body in. 
 

I thought we were worse once he went off. Had much more control first half. Although he was probably always only doing 55-60 minutes. 

[Rod]

4 hours ago, Nine said:

I’m on this side of the fence to, however he has work to do on the defensive side of his game. Time on the pitch obviously helps but Howe is always giving Barnes a lot of direction mid game, I just hope he becomes more coachable as he’s getting more minutes because if he can adapt a bit and take on more responsibility he will be a great asset for us. 

 

 

 

He's not an apprentice you know.  He knows his way around a football pitch.  He's actually a very good footballer.

[huss9]

better finisher than gordon.

[Holloway]

Struggling to recall his dribbling skills, he's tidy enough though

[The Prophet]

I recall him been pretty rapid when he has space to run into.

[Tonalis Bookie]

stepping in for gordon in the final and playing a blinder in an NUFC would be the moment this transfer finally made sense

[jackyboy]

Looking forward to seeing him on the left. I think he his deceptively quick and knows when to run and when not. He is also a better finisher than Gordon. Willock has been sadly disappointing so can't see him playing there

[r0cafella]

I don't want to sidetrack @Cfexcellent player ratings thread but the Harvey Barnes rating which seems to be a c at the time of posting got me thinking. 

 

Did we overpay for him? 

[Kid Icarus]

I don't think so, but I do think there's an element of right player wrong time about him. Ideally you want a player like Barnes to come in as more of a finishing touch when you need an impact sub to complement what you already have - like Liverpool got with Jota and Arsenal got with Trossard. £40m on that type of player when you still need a starting RW and RCB and back up CF might not have been the best allocation of resources with the huge benefit of hindsight. 

 

 

Edited March 5 by Kid Icarus

[54]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I don't want to sidetrack @Cfexcellent player ratings thread but the Harvey Barnes rating which seems to be a c at the time of posting got me thinking. 

 

Did we overpay for him? 

In the three seasons prior to him signing:

 

2021/22: 40 games, 13 goals, 3 assists

2020/21: 48 games, 11 goals, 13 assists

2019/20: 35 games, 13 goals, 4 assists

 

Would say based on that, £40M is probably about right for him. Sometimes players and clubs don't work out in the same way, but it doesn't mean it was an overpay.

[r0cafella]

Just now, 54 said:

In the three seasons prior to him signing:

 

2021/22: 40 games, 13 goals, 3 assists

2020/21: 48 games, 11 goals, 13 assists

2019/20: 35 games, 13 goals, 4 assists

 

Would say based on that, £40M is probably about right for him. Sometimes players and clubs don't work out in the same way, but it doesn't mean it was an overpay.

I'm not sure of the answer to my own question FWIW. I go back and forth on it. His stats are definitely impressive on paper but for me he's quite limited given the price and wages. I just wanted to gauge some thoughts as CFs great thread for me thinking.