jonny1403 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 35 minutes ago, Heron said: I'm fine. I think we should be approaching the game with the idea of going toe to toe with them. With Botman and Hall out we're pretty threadbare sitting in and defending all game especially when they have a whole host of players who can score from outside the area. Barnes isn't going to be the man to close them down and press them high with enough pace and intensity to really do it enough effect. I think that's where Willock comes in and perhaps can drop into a midfield 4 if the game dictates it when we're our of possession. Barnes is bringing more goals and assists, which I understand, but from the point of view of us not having the ball much I feel Willock suits us better and is also more effective when the game is stretched. When have you seen evidence of Willock performing that role effectively in the last 12 months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, jonny1403 said: When have you seen evidence of Willock performing that role effectively in the last 12 months? I haven't seen Barnes perform that role either... Barnes has nabbed a few more goals this season but Willock has been known to perform that role better than Barnes (historically speaking for us). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Would be baffling to me to play Willock over Barnes in the final. I say that as someone who has continually backed Willock and always rated him. Sadly, his return this season has barely shown flashes. He has had a couple of moments where he’s been able to run at pace into space and looked good doing that but the rest of his game has been poor. He’s looked really complacent, he’s mistimed a lot of passes and misread the game constantly with his movement. I just think his head isn’t in it for whatever reason. Barnes is a similar player in that he doesn’t have the fire and competitiveness to really turn up game after game and take control of a game. However, he is exceptionally good at striking the ball and good at cutting inside and laying off or finding teammates. I’d be playing Barnes every time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: IMO if we are going to win, we will need to score first or have something to defend in the last 10 minutes. If Liverpool have a lead to defend, they'll see it out. They will be too composed and we will lack it. With that in mind, we start with our strongest attacking players. Barnes starts. Willock is fresh legs, hopefully to defend rather than score. As much as my hatred f Liverpool makes me want to disagree, I simply can't... We really need to score first to have any chance, I appreciate we can't be overly naïve and get picked off but we do need to rattle them. I found the last final so frustrating as we never really laid a glove on them after the wanky first goal that I still maintain was a dive! Might be biased though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, gbandit said: Would be baffling to me to play Willock over Barnes in the final. I say that as someone who has continually backed Willock and always rated him. Sadly, his return this season has barely shown flashes. He has had a couple of moments where he’s been able to run at pace into space and looked good doing that but the rest of his game has been poor. He’s looked really complacent, he’s mistimed a lot of passes and misread the game constantly with his movement. I just think his head isn’t in it for whatever reason. Barnes is a similar player in that he doesn’t have the fire and competitiveness to really turn up game after game and take control of a game. However, he is exceptionally good at striking the ball and good at cutting inside and laying off or finding teammates. I’d be playing Barnes every time I still have hope that Howe can get another level of competitiveness and strength out of Barnes. Doesn't help he plays the same position as Gordon obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 So much of our attacking play was disjointed last night. Feels very much that the team is used to Gordon being there. Loads of passes underhit or played behind the player. Hard for anyone to shine particularly. If Barnes can find himself in a one-on-one like Gordon oftentimes does, other than isak, there’s not a player I’d rather it fall to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 A hypothetical for everyone, with Barnes there has been a lot of discussion about how his £40M wasn't worth it, and it was a waste of funds, which as much as I like Barnes I tend to agree with, but if he scores the winner on Sunday, does that fee become worth it, and that talk dissipate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Who knows, there are loads of good arguments for the Barnes signing but I guess scoring in the cup final is a decent one to add. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 If we win the whole team become legends. It’s that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 It wasn’t a great game from any of the forwards last night, but he was a threat and actually manufactured quite a few chances for himself. Hopefully we can get some joy down that side with Alexander-Arnold and Salah going forward and space left for us in behind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 For all the space behind, it needs to be good balls into it. I.e. pass through a press and make it a more meaningful ball into space. It’s not a case of smashing it over a distance into open space, because it’s harder to get under control and gives CBs more time to read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, 1964 said: I don't think willock ever has control of the ball It was better against Brighton, but Willocks body language has been terrible for several games now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, 54 said: A hypothetical for everyone, with Barnes there has been a lot of discussion about how his £40M wasn't worth it, and it was a waste of funds, which as much as I like Barnes I tend to agree with, but if he scores the winner on Sunday, does that fee become worth it, and that talk dissipate? Simple yes from me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 5 hours ago, 54 said: A hypothetical for everyone, with Barnes there has been a lot of discussion about how his £40M wasn't worth it, and it was a waste of funds, which as much as I like Barnes I tend to agree with, but if he scores the winner on Sunday, does that fee become worth it, and that talk dissipate? Without doubt! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 18 hours ago, 54 said: A hypothetical for everyone, with Barnes there has been a lot of discussion about how his £40M wasn't worth it, and it was a waste of funds, which as much as I like Barnes I tend to agree with, but if he scores the winner on Sunday, does that fee become worth it, and that talk dissipate? If he scores a typical Barnes right footed curler into the top corner in the 90th minute to win the game £80m would have been worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 18 hours ago, 54 said: A hypothetical for everyone, with Barnes there has been a lot of discussion about how his £40M wasn't worth it, and it was a waste of funds, which as much as I like Barnes I tend to agree with, but if he scores the winner on Sunday, does that fee become worth it, and that talk dissipate? A fickle yes from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 We need Harvey to put in a performance today. He must know that; hope it feels like a nice pressure to have. A responsibility to the teammates and every one else relying on you. All that learning, all the playing throughout his developmental years. The bow is tightened and primed. Let the arrows flow bonny lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 In a one-off game where we’re maybe not favourites or not controlling matches, I’d back Barnes to get a goal out of nowhere over Gordon. Let’s hope that proves to be the case today! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 The good thing about a front three of Barnes-Isak-Murphy is they’ve all got decent shots. Makes a big difference in a game which is likely to be tight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 An oooooh Harvey Barnes special on the 89th minute at 0-0 please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 15 minutes ago, SAK said: An oooooh Harvey Barnes special on the 89th minute at 0-0 please. Have to always say his full name and all. Harvey BAAAAARRRRNNNNNEEEESSSS as it crashes off the bar and in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Have to always say his full name and all. Harvey BAAAAARRRRNNNNNEEEESSSS as it crashes off the bar and in. I can hear Razor and Andy's commentary when Barnes smashes in a 89th minute winner. And also Andos groan when 20mins are added on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Might have to have BBC commentary on. It’s a fucking Likely Lads stylee minefield though if timing is out of sync. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Need this lad to find some corners today like he’s more than capable of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewel Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Come on, Harvey lad! Time to make yourself a legend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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