Pata Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: No idea but I still think he's right. It used to be a must-watch whenever Brazil were playing. They're still very good but they don't have you gripped anymore. Neymar seems to be the last of a kind. https://www.givemesport.com/ronaldinho-reveals-why-he-slammed-brazilian-national-team/ I'm still as obsessed as ever. Maybe it helps that there has only ever been one tournament where I wasn't a neutral. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The amount of football we're exposed to on TV nowadays probably doesn't help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Bizza said: The amount of football we're exposed to on TV nowadays probably doesn't help. Yep. It's also the third international tournament in four years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 12 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Not just watching England, but I can't remember the last time I was engrossed in a tournament. Is it just me or is interest waning? There just doesn't seem to be any identity anymore from country to country, it's more or less the same the world over now. Brazil are still a cracking team but Ronaldinho nailed it recently, they don't play like Brazil anymore. I'm not saying players care any less, but club football is always the priority. For most fans the same applies, too. I reckon change it so tournament squads are similar to the ones that go to the Olympics. Under 21s/23s with a few overage players, there'd still be a rawness about them and make it fun. Differences in culture and "stereotypical" styles for countries should be celebrated. Instead most countries obsessed with making everything a tactical homogenous sludge. I want to see Brazilians showboating, the Spaniards passing 1m times, Italians swanning about with a handsome ease. We want Ronaldinhos, Xavis and Pirlos in the game, it's just way more fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 35 minutes ago, TaylorJ_01 said: Differences in culture and "stereotypical" styles for countries should be celebrated. Instead most countries obsessed with making everything a tactical homogenous sludge. I want to see Brazilians showboating, the Spaniards passing 1m times, Italians swanning about with a handsome ease. We want Ronaldinhos, Xavis and Pirlos in the game, it's just way more fun. Ireland punting it to a 6"4 bean pole, England playing 4-4-facking-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Is found the group stages a bit underwhelming really. Individual games have been good but this third place qualification route really reduces the jeopardy. All three of Scotland and England’s games were a tough watch other than Germany taking a shit on Scotland for the comedy element. Knock outs better deliver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, gbandit said: Is found the group stages a bit underwhelming really. Individual games have been good but this third place qualification route really reduces the jeopardy. All three of Scotland and England’s games were a tough watch other than Germany taking a shit on Scotland for the comedy element. Knock outs better deliver Exactly. Half the pundits were having a go at Scotland for, belatedly in the 90th minute, trying to win the game and push forward. The reason being "a point MIGHT be good enough for a best 3rd place finish". Its crap as it generally gives more reason for teams to be defensive. Why should anyone go through without winning and with 2 points? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I would scrap the predetermined knockout tree especially as the third place part makes it difficult to figure out. Instead I’d put the 16 into a league table, 1st plays 16th, 2nd plays 15th etc. This awards the best teams and will get rid of some of these low risk draw patterns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yorkie Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 First set: 2.83 Second set: 2.25 Third set: 1.67 Goals per game across group stage fixtures. Sums up the impact of the format pretty well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Yeah. Early games try and grab a result to basically put you through. As it gets towards the end the opportunity for targeting tight draws open when you know how things stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 14 hours ago, James said: I would scrap the predetermined knockout tree especially as the third place part makes it difficult to figure out. Instead I’d put the 16 into a league table, 1st plays 16th, 2nd plays 15th etc. This awards the best teams and will get rid of some of these low risk draw patterns. This might actually be one of the most sensible things you've ever said on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 How do you work out who is 1st to 16th though - based on points, goal difference etc? Because that just makes being drawn in a tough group even more punishing. My idea from a few years ago was for the top 4 first place teams to get a bye into the last 8. The remaining 1st and all 2nd place teams (8 teams) play each other in a qualifier to play those teams in the last 8. Rewards those teams who have performed especially well in the groups with a rest and means it's just the top 2 from each group qualifying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 I hate this day in these tournements. Proper comedown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Tournament started hot. Apart from England game first 4 days were class. Been watchable since but some stinky games aswell. I think quarters could be really tasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, Armchair Pundit said: It's the draw. Germany, Spain, France and Portugal most likely have to win two matches against that group of four before reaching the final. It's hard to tell who gets to the final while the red carpet has been laid on the ground for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCDoog Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 We've failed to beat Slovenia and Denmark, scraped past Serbia. I wouldn't even say the red carpet has been laid out, all the teams on the side of the draw we're on have been better than us, aside from maybe Slovakia, but they did beat Belgium. No way can we be considered favourites based on that. If we end up winning Sunday, we'll lose next Saturday. The tournaments done for us, it's never been this negative under Southgate, there's clearly divisions in the camp and the harmony between fans and players has ended. You get the feeling the players are resenting the fans now. It never ends well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Day 2... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 26/06/2024 at 21:52, James said: I would scrap the predetermined knockout tree especially as the third place part makes it difficult to figure out. Instead I’d put the 16 into a league table, 1st plays 16th, 2nd plays 15th etc. This awards the best teams and will get rid of some of these low risk draw patterns. I was thinking this too but realised it does mean teams could play teams in their group stages again. It feels a bit wrong Austria and Netherlands are favourites to already play each other again in the quarters! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenkoDaLuz Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Webpage of the EURO 96. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 The ITV Euros jingle sound like the Neverending Story theme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Christina Unkel is great on ITV. Really good insight into what the rules are, why decisions have been made to enforce those rules, and where the nuance is between the rules and what "football expects" and why that nuance exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 When the best match of the tournament is Austria - Turkey it says a lot both about both these teams and the great way they’re set up but also a huge amount about the tournament as a whole and the bigger sides. Hope this era of Deschamps, Martinez, Southgate football fucks off forever soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Deschamps gets way more stick than he deserves mind, he's won a World Cup and was only a penalty shootout away from winning another . Teams literally just sit back every single time they play France which is why they have looked so poor this tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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