Marc Guehi

[TRon]

14 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Our likely chance to get him was for a daft fee.

 

No chance one of the Sky Six doesn’t offer him a shitload more money next summer when he’ll be available for a vastly reduced fee

 

Which is why I hope we don't go back there in January unless we KNOW Guehi wants to come here. The cartel clubs will be waiting for his price to drop, then they'll wait until Parish comes to them cap in hand requesting they give him an audience for around £45-50m. Our chance of getting him was always to pay a premium, and while it might still be possible in January, it would be dumb to make the same mistakes again.

[Kilcline]

6 hours ago, Jack27 said:

Funniest thing is Palace fans would prefer getting 30m from Liverpool over 70m from us

I do enjoy how they're happy to cuck themselves for the sly 6 now that we're the big bad wolf. Silly cunts 

[Skeletor]

I suspect Parish probably would prefer £30m from Liverpool too.

[Stottie]

21 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

What little extra do you think we refused to pay ?

 

We can't compete with Chelsea on wages, recent trophy wins or being based where he already lives. It's a madhouse there, but the odds were stacked against us as soon as they came in.

 

If more money and staying local is his preference over regular starts and a more stable environment then that's his prerogative. But I think it also means he's not a player with an attitude that fits with the current NUFC ethos.

 

 

 

 

 

As a simple fan, I don't know specifics, but several sites suggest Lloyd Kelly is on more money than Tosin. I'd imagine it would be similar. Targett is supposedly on big money too. I suspect had someone warned "in two months time, we'll be scrambling to pay the same wages and 70M on top to get a CB", more effort would have been made to get Tosin over the line.

 

Some of the "seven year contract" thing at Chelsea is about giving players lower wages, so the assumption about them should not be that they are still paying everyone the famously high wages of Sterling, Chilwell etc. It doesn't sound like their recent signings are getting anything like as much. Obviously NUFC aren't in London, but I would say we are now more stable than Chelsea on the field and have performed better than them for two seasons. A good run under Poch got them to finish above us last season, but Poch did it playing his way and not the official Chelsea way as dictated by their DoFs. The big picture for several seasons now at Chelsea is that better players than Tosin have seen their careers stall, if not crash and burn. By contrast, most players we sign have seen their reputations greatly enhanced. If potential signings need to be told this, we should be making it as clear as possible.

 

[Lush Vlad]

Ah yes. The old ‘Lloyd Kelly is on £150k a week’ line, again  

 

Don’t the salary sites, that seem like total guesswork. Also have Targett going from something like £30k a week at Villa to £100k a week with us? Why would we do that?!
 

The same way as I can’t imagine we’ve tripled or quadrupled Kelly’s wages to come here.  

 

 

Edited September 5, 2024 by Lush Vlad

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Ah yes. The old ‘Lloyd Kelly is on £150k a week’ line, again  

 

Don’t the salary sites, that seem like total guesswork. Also have Targett going from something like £30k a week at Villa to £100k a week with us? Why would we do that?!
 

The same way as I can’t imagine we’ve tripled or quadrupled Kelly’s wages to come here.  

 

 

 

 

I can't find it, but Kieran Maguire did a piece on how they estimate stuff and in a nutshell it's nonsense.

[ExiledGeordie]

3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

Ah yes. The old ‘Lloyd Kelly is on £150k a week’ line, again  

 

Don’t the salary sites, that seem like total guesswork. Also have Targett going from something like £30k a week at Villa to £100k a week with us? Why would we do that?!
 

The same way as I can’t imagine we’ve tripled or quadrupled Kelly’s wages to come here.  

 

 

 

The Targett stuff is hilarious. Anyone with a modicum of understanding of football finances knows essentially a Steady Eddy back up left isn’t going to be on 100k ffs when as you say he was on 30k at Villa.

[SUPERTOON]

Interesting read here:

 

 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Interesting read here:

 

 

Can ya paste the relevant bit? I don’t want to give DM clicks 

[SUPERTOON]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Can ya paste the relevant bit? I don’t want to give DM clicks 

Conspiracy theories, four-hour long talks and a £75million price tag - the Marc Guehi transfer saga was an exhausting one.

In the eyes of many, Crystal Palaceemerged victorious from the arduous affair as they successfully resisted Newcastle's advances for a player handed the Eagles captaincy over the summer.

In the fullness of time, however, Palace's refusal to sanction Guehi's exit may yet bite them in the backside. Financially, at least.

Having kept the 23-year-old, Palace are now expected to begin the dance of persuading Guehi into signing a new contract. 

Any offer would include a big pay rise for a player who emerged as one of England's stars of Euro 2024.

It would also very likely include a release clause of between £60m-£70m.

But all the early indications are that Guehi would have reservations about signing an extension. Palace have certainly been offered no assurances that he is currently willing to do so.

 

Guehi is in a strong position. With under two years left on his deal, the prospect of securing a money-spinning Bosman transfer is on the horizon. Why would he give that up?

At a cut price fee, many of the Premier League's top clubs will view Guehi as a golden opportunity.

Manchester City, for example, have already checked on how Guehi's future may develop.

And ultimately, the centre-back's desire to play Champions League football will emerge as a pivotal factor in how Guehi evaluates his future. So, too, will playing for a team in which he is a regular.

 

If the option of joining a club that presents him with the chance of fulfilling those ambitions arises, then he may find it too difficult to turn down, no matter how attractive and lucrative a free transfer may seem.

The price at which Palace would be willing to sell Guehi will also be key. A deal of around £50million would be optimum for Palace next summer.

But with the possibility of signing Guehi for nothing now a valid negotiating tactic, who's to say clubs would be willing to pay that much?

Indeed, the sporting director of one side interested in Guehi has indicated that only a fee of £30million or below would tempt them.

 

Keeping Guehi, though, is viewed as the club's main triumph.

By the end, there was an general sense at Palace that Newcastle never really gave them a decision to make, although certain figures at St James' Park believe the south Londoners never intended to sell.

The second and final official bid tabled by Newcastle for the England international was worth £55million plus a further £5m in add-ons.

 

The Magpies, however, did communicate, on three occasions, their intention to make improved offers - the highest landing at £65million plus £5million.

But it is understood those verbal offers never transitioned into formal bids, primarily because Palace never signalled that any of them would be accepted.

A deal worth £70million was still short, albeit marginally, of Crystal Palace's valuation, which was set at £65m + £10m.

There were indications in the final week of the transfer window that the two clubs had found a middle ground.

But then Palace centre back Chadi Riad damaged his medial collateral ligament in a Carabao Cup tie against Norwich.

The injury, coupled with Palace's decision to sell Guehi's long-term central defensive partner Joachim Andersen to Fulham for £30million, signalled the beginning of the end for Newcastle's pursuit.

 

 

Palace didn't budge on their price. Newcastle didn't fold.

Palace's valuation may have seemed excessive. But at the very heart of the club's sky-high valuation was the player's refusal to push for a move.

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If Guehi had made clear he wanted to leave then chances are that he would be a Newcastle player today for a fee less than £75million.

Indeed, Mail Sport has learned that Newcastle sporting director Paul Mitchell, who was leading the swoop, traveled down to London to meet chairman Parish in the middle of August with a view to closing the transfer for a player Eddie Howe had expressed was his one and only central defensive target.

The meeting lasted around four hours. By all accounts, Parish left the meeting more determined than ever to resist Newcastle's advances.

Having heard that Howe had put all their eggs in Guehi's basket, Parish used the information as a leverage to stick to his high price.

 

Palace were also aware of an emerging political narrative behind the scenes at Newcastle.

Howe wanted to see if Mitchell could deliver what he wanted. Mitchell, working on his first big transfer since his appointment, wanted to prove he could.

 

That Newcastle chief executive Darren Eales entered into negotiations during the final days of the window offered further intrigue into a political picture on Tyneside that will continue to simmer.

Of course, none of that concerned Palace or Parish, who, after that face-to-face meeting with Mitchell, gave Newcastle the magic number.

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That number was never matched. Mitchell and Eales have their reasons as to why Newcastle didn't cough up. Howe has his views.

Palace, though, have Guehi.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lush Vlad]

Just reads as a puff piece for that wanker, Parrish, TBH. 

[The Prophet]

Parish must have Mokbel on speed dial.

[TRon]

It did reinforce the point that if Guehi had pushed for the move the deal would have been done. He really wasn't that fussed, probably happy to come if the deal was agreed, equally happy to sit on his contract running down, knowing he'll get a bigger payoff the closer it gets to expiring.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

It did reinforce the point that if Guehi had pushed for the move the deal would have been done. He really wasn't that fussed, probably happy to come if the deal was agreed, equally happy to sit on his contract running down, knowing he'll get a bigger payoff the closer it gets to expiring.

Aye, suggests to me he wont be coming here at all now. 

[Shearergol]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, suggests to me he wont be coming here at all now. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Doesn't mean he didn't want to come though, just was basically in a win-win situation where if he didn't get a move now he'll get a slightly better one (for him personally) later.

[Paully]

40 minutes ago, TRon said:

It did reinforce the point that if Guehi had pushed for the move the deal would have been done. He really wasn't that fussed, probably happy to come if the deal was agreed, equally happy to sit on his contract running down, knowing he'll get a bigger payoff the closer it gets to expiring.

 

I think that was our only chance of getting him - he'll have bigger clubs after him in the next two windows - for me, nailed on as VVD replacement at Liverpool with him a free agent in the summer.

[Menace]

So nowhere near as close as our ITKs thought

 

Interesting

[Likelylad]

He's a good CB but you'd think he was prime Baresi the way people are going on. 

[Tross]

Close the thread. Boring.

[CallumG6]

1 minute ago, Tross said:

Close the thread. Boring.

I agree let's just shut this down now. It will always be a reminder of this less than ideal transfer window.

 

Hopefully we're lining up alternatives for January or next Summer. If Guehi wants a Sky Six move, let him be.

[KaKa]

From that Mail article:

 

Indeed, the sporting director of one side interested in Guehi has indicated that only a fee of £30million or below would tempt them.

 

Just to give an idea of how much his price is plummeting, with him now approaching that final year.

[TRon]

31 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Doesn't mean he didn't want to come though, just was basically in a win-win situation where if he didn't get a move now he'll get a slightly better one (for him personally) later.

 

It means he wasn't that set on it either. It was said a few times in the last couple of weeks in the transfer window that he needed to push a bit more, but he never did. That's not a criticism, you can perfectly understand why he was open to everything but committed to nothing. For me though, I always thought that meant he would end up at Liverpool or another cartel club once the price starts dropping. Look elsewhere.

[ExiledGeordie]

11 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

It means he wasn't that set on it either. It was said a few times in the last couple of weeks in the transfer window that he needed to push a bit more, but he never did. That's not a criticism, you can perfectly understand why he was open to everything but committed to nothing. For me though, I always thought that meant he would end up at Liverpool or another cartel club once the price starts dropping. Look elsewhere.

Yeah he’s nailed on for Liverpool 

[Paully]

21 minutes ago, Tross said:

Close the thread. Boring.

 

Agreed - 317 pages on a Crystal bastard Palace centre-half