Marc Guehi

[St. Maximin]

I can honestly think of multiple possible reasons he did what he did - some sound more honourable than others - but we have zero evidence either way for any of them, homophobic or not. 
 

IMO though there’s another fair possibility he’s done it because he both doesn’t support refusing on religious grounds like some players, but is still religious and is keen to point out that’s in his identity while still supporting the cause. It’s very weird to wear in any form if you don’t support it (and honestly I doubt any player doesn’t support it). 
 

I honestly think it’s bizarre people are so keen to think the worst in someone, purely because of a gesture he’s done in one week of several years playing professional football and coming across a model pro. Just because you don’t agree with someone’s choice doesn’t mean you shouldn’t appreciate there’s context we don’t know about it. That happens all the time when someone famous does something silly, but we choose to be understanding if we want to be. 

 

 

Edited December 7 by St. Maximin

[Lush Vlad]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/clyj2e3dg14o.amp
 

Did his comments get posted? Doesn’t really clear it up. Hardly says he has no issue with gay people here.  
 

He would have been better off not wearing it. His Dad came across like a dick. But he was right in one thing that he said. Nobody cares about Morsy refusing to wear it or the Man U lad refusing to wear a jacket. But Guehi is copping all kinds of flak. 
 

I can’t say I’m arsed either way. It’s up to him. But I tend to lean towards the ‘he doesn’t like gays’ because of his religion angle. His comments actually make me think that more and all. 

[St. Maximin]

2 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/clyj2e3dg14o.amp
 

Did his comments get posted? Doesn’t really clear it up. Hardly says he has no issue with gay people here.  
 

He would have been better off not wearing it. His Dad came across like a dick. But he was right in one thing that he said. Nobody cares about Morsy refusing to wear it or the Man U lad refusing to wear a jacket. But Guehi is copping all kinds of flak. 
 

I can’t say I’m arsed either way. It’s up to him. But I tend to lean towards the ‘he doesn’t like gays’ because of his religion angle. His comments actually make me think that more and all. 

My opinions (like I said we don’t know) but I agree with all this apart from the last part. I genuinely think he does agree with the campaign, hence why he wore it. It’s a very weird thing to do if not hence why he’s allowed not to. He’s seen other players like Morsy refuse to wear it and doesn’t support that, but he’s also keen to show he still holds his Christian views despite arguing for inclusivity in football. The alternative view I think also is that he feels (rightly or wrongly) threatened by rainbow campaigns in general - I know view this from being in those circles years ago. 
 

I mean he wrote that he loves Jesus/Jesus loves you. That’s a positive message (especially the latter) and Christianity teaches to love everyone like Jesus did, regardless of their sexual orientation or otherwise. Jesus didn’t go round preaching about homosexuality. If he was quoting certain verses in Leviticus that’s a different matter, but he isn’t. I could be wrong of course, but honestly think he’s just an idiot rather than a homophobe and until we have evidence he meant some of the things people have speculated he does, it’s needless attacking him so much. 

 

 

Edited December 7 by St. Maximin

[madras]

20 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

My opinions (like I said we don’t know) but I agree with all this apart from the last part. I genuinely think he does agree with the campaign, hence why he wore it. It’s a very weird thing to do if not hence why he’s allowed not to. He’s seen other players like Morsy refuse to wear it and doesn’t support that, but he’s also keen to show he still holds his Christian views despite arguing for inclusivity in football. The alternative view I think also is that he feels (rightly or wrongly) threatened by rainbow campaigns in general - I know view this from being in those circles years ago. 
 

I mean he wrote that he loves Jesus/Jesus loves you. That’s a positive message (especially the latter) and Christianity teaches to love everyone like Jesus did, regardless of their sexual orientation or otherwise. Jesus didn’t go round preaching about homosexuality. If he was quoting certain verses in Leviticus that’s a different matter, but he isn’t. I could be wrong of course, but honestly think he’s just an idiot rather than a homophobe and until we have evidence he meant some of the things people have speculated he does, it’s needless attacking him so much. 

 

 

 

He just wrote that he loves Jesus. If he'd wrote Jesus loves you it could have been spun as being more inclusive.

[Lush Vlad]

17 minutes ago, madras said:

He just wrote that he loves Jesus. If he'd wrote Jesus loves you it could have been spun as being more inclusive.

He did for the second game. 
 

St Maximin seems very keen to defend him and assume what he meant. The same as the people wanting him punished for being anti-gay or however they see it are making their own mind up. 
 

It’s all just a bit odd. I still think he knew exactly what he was doing and the connotations of writing that on there. 
 

Sounds like his Dad is a bit of a zealot, anyway. So it’s easier to understand why he’s being like this with an upbringing like that. 

[St. Maximin]

I’ve been keen to defend him (we’ll go some extent) because I’m from that kind of background and have family and friends who are both Christian and conservative, so feel I can offer a different perspective on how they think. Bit odd I know as I’ve been agnostic for years and don’t like a lot about religion. Said way more than I expected mind, but I keep disagreeing with people and vice versa 

 

 

Edited December 7 by St. Maximin

[Dr Venkman]

Well the good news, I suppose, is this all but kills the chances of us paying over the odds for him.

[Erikse]

I was all for not jumping to conclusions, but the interview from his dad and himself doesn't really help his case. They are being really vague and saying things that doesn't really change anything, and I think that's for a reason. His dad comments are especially telling. It really does seem like his dad or family is the issue though, and I suppose that's no surprise. Guehi was put in a really bad and awkward position, and I also think the PL is partly to blame for that. Guehi isn't completely free of blame ofcourse, but he really had no way out of trouble.

 

 

Edited December 7 by Erikse

[BlueStar]

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His father, a Christian minister, has now come out to defend his son as well, explaining that, like Morsy, Guehi does not believe in the cause for religious reasons.

'You gave me the armband, as a Christian I don't believe in your cause, but I'll put it on'."

 

 

Whoops,  quiet part out loud.