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1 hour ago, Boey_Jarton said:

Constant threat first half but must hold the record for randomly dribbling the ball out of play whilst under no pressure 

It’s not the be all but it’s a massive reason I’ll never fully be able to take to him as a footballer.  Such poor fundamentals. 
 

But this is a game he can be proud of him. Such a massive shame for him you can’t walk off with pride due to the score. 

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Goals aside, it wasn't his best game, but it's mad there always has to be a caveat with him.

 

He's scored twice at the Nou Camp. He plays well and doesn't score, we critique his end product. On the other hand, Barnes scores twice with little else in the way of contribution and we praise his clinical finishing.

 

He's on a hiding to nothing here because no matter how good he gets, folks have already made up their minds about him. 

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All-round performance might not have been that great, but the first finish in particular should be a big confidence boost for him. Hopefully he can kick on from here.

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3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Goals aside, it wasn't his best game, but it's mad there always has to be a caveat with him.

 

He's scored twice at the Nou Camp. He plays well and doesn't score, we critique his end product. On the other hand, Barnes scores twice with little else in the way of contribution and we praise his clinical finishing.

 

He's on a hiding to nothing here because no matter how good he gets, folks have already made up their minds about him. 

This is actually a great point you make. I wonder if it's because of inherent bias or is it the nature of his mistakes?

 

A combination of all plus the feeling plus premier league proven tag maybe?

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1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

This is actually a great point you make. I wonder if it's because of inherent bias or is it the nature of his mistakes?

 

A combination of all plus the feeling plus premier league proven tag maybe?

It’s the running balls out of play under minimal pressure. Looking like he doesn’t know how/who to press.  
 

Biggest factor is Elanga isn’t as good as people hoped. Not even close. And Barnes is better than people hoped. And Barnes was signed to fight for a first team place. But he wasn’t a marquee signing.  At the time he was viewed as a bit of a luxury. Ppl wanted a RW more and we didn’t get it. We didn’t get it for another 2 years. And then we got Elanga. That’s underwhelming.  

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4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s the running balls out of play under minimal pressure. Looking like he doesn’t know how/who to press.  
 

Biggest factor is Elanga isn’t as good as people hoped. Not even close. And Barnes is better than people hoped. And Barnes was signed to fight for a first team place. But he wasn’t a marquee signing.  At the time he was viewed as a bit of a luxury. Ppl wanted a RW more and we didn’t get it. We didn’t get it for another 2 years. And then we got Elanga. That’s underwhelming.  

I think this is a reasonable take. It's a really interesting situation and I hope for the life of me he kicks on next season because I do think we are stuck with him. 

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4 hours ago, r0cafella said:

I think this is a reasonable take. It's a really interesting situation and I hope for the life of me he kicks on next season because I do think we are stuck with him. 

I’d love him to be the super sub we bring on against tired legs 
 

and to sign a marquee RW
 

it’s a shame we went into last summer thinking we were only a RW GK and back up striker away from great things
 

with Isaks nonsense and the signings we are further away than we’ve been in a while. Serviceable PL players cost 30-40m 
first team ones cost 50-60
marquee ones cost 70-80m

 

we need 
 

marquee

striker 

RW 
 

first team

GK

DM

 

serviceable
LB

RB

 

all assuming no one leaves 

 

if Tino or Tonali leave then add rb and CM to first team or even marquee
 

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Just now, kingxlnc said:

I’d love him to be the super sub we bring on against tired legs 
 

and to sign a marquee RW
 

it’s a shame we went into last summer thinking we were only a RW GK and back up striker away from great things
 

with Isaks nonsense and the signings we are further away than we’ve been in a while. Serviceable PL players cost 30-40m 
first team ones cost 50-60
marquee ones cost 70-80m

 

we need 
 

marquee

striker 

RW 
 

first team

GK

DM

 

serviceable
LB

RB

 

all assuming no one leaves 

 

if Tino or Tonali leave then add rb and CM to first team or even marquee
 

We need to move back to buying players who are younger and have high ceilings whilst we grow our revenue. We probably have to accept a degree of player trading in the interim period tbh. 

 

And this is IF our owners aren't bullshitting. 

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5 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s the running balls out of play under minimal pressure. Looking like he doesn’t know how/who to press.  
 

Biggest factor is Elanga isn’t as good as people hoped. Not even close. And Barnes is better than people hoped. And Barnes was signed to fight for a first team place. But he wasn’t a marquee signing.  At the time he was viewed as a bit of a luxury. Ppl wanted a RW more and we didn’t get it. We didn’t get it for another 2 years. And then we got Elanga. That’s underwhelming.  

 

You wanted an RW more. A lot of people saw we needed an ASM replacement and only really had Gordon as an out & out LW option. We had Almiron and Murphy on the right. If we'd sold one of those over ASM, we'd have needed an RW.

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1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

You wanted an RW more. A lot of people saw we needed an ASM replacement and only really had Gordon as an out & out LW option. We had Almiron and Murphy on the right. If we'd sold one of those over ASM, we'd have needed an RW.

The only problem was Miggy didn't want to be sold at the time and Murphy wasn't even the player he was now.

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, JoeyBartoon said:

He should get loads of confidence from that but tbh the way Barca play suits him. Will see if he can carry that over to a team in a low block 

He’s not to going to though. We have seen what he has to offer against teams who take us on, play a high defensive line and go toe to toe. And I mean why wouldn’t Barca do that? They could play anyone off the park on their day.
That said, hoping he can take some confidence from scoring two goals there. Think they said the had only conceded 8 goals at home all season. 

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2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

You wanted an RW more. A lot of people saw we needed an ASM replacement and only really had Gordon as an out & out LW option. We had Almiron and Murphy on the right. If we'd sold one of those over ASM, we'd have needed an RW.

We played Willock/Joelinton there the season prior mostly + had Gordon as a marquee type signing 

 

Neither Almiron or Murphy were considered good enough.  
 

Anyway overall point stands. Even if I take your view. Barnes came into replace someone who spent most of the prior season on the bench. He’s never meant to have been an automatic starter. Elanga was the king overdue RW. Meant to be a starter and a marquee signing. And he’s a worse footballer than Barnes. Arguably not an improvement on Murphy.  

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14 hours ago, Nobody said:

Thought he was shocking apart from the goals :lol: 

What a load of tosh lad. 😂 

He was class after the first seven minutes his one twos with hall and Barnes was brilliant one of the best I've seen in a while at the toon. 

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Scored twice and was heavily involved in what would have genuinely been the best Newcastle team goal I've ever seen. But was still quite hit and miss. :lol:

 

Still confident that he'll come good, we saw his uses pretty clearly last night. 

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4 minutes ago, andycap said:

What a load of tosh lad. 😂 

He was class after the first seven minutes his one twos with hall and Barnes was brilliant one of the best I've seen in a while at the toon. 

 

I don't think it's tosh like, he ran the ball out of play and gave it away extremely cheaply a good few times. 

 

He's given himself a platform to build on with those goals but his overall performance was still below par IMO. 

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3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

Scored twice and was heavily involved in what would have genuinely been the best Newcastle team goal I've ever seen. But was still quite hit and miss. :lol:

 

Still confident that he'll come good, we saw his uses pretty clearly last night. 

Major weapon against super high lines - aye

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As effective as he was on Wednesday, I wouldn't want him anywhere near the team on Sunday. Low block and no space to operate in is where his limitations are exposed horribly, case in point the away leg of the derby where to call him a competition winner would be an insult to anyone able to fill in an application form.

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12 minutes ago, Pilko said:

As effective as he was on Wednesday, I wouldn't want him anywhere near the team on Sunday. Low block and no space to operate in is where his limitations are exposed horribly, case in point the away leg of the derby where to call him a competition winner would be an insult to anyone able to fill in an application form.

 

Probably the first sensible thing you've said all day. 

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I think will see a totally different player next year. 

Hos just one of the cases thats need a year to settle and understanding the Howe way to play football. 

We have a lot of fun to looking forward to.

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