Pilko Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Happy to be corrected here, but my recollection is we'd been linked with Elanga for 18-24 months prior to him actually signing and the only other serious link for a right winger last summer was Mbuemo, it leaked he was going to Man U and then we went and bought Elanga. In retrospect we could have gleaned that the only summer signing we seemingly got early and unopposed would indeed be absolutely chod as everyone else had him sussed as not worth £55m in a month of Sundays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Think there is a good player in there but has been entirely mismanaged by Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Just now, nufc123 said: Yes, if we go back all these years then you are correct. Going into last summer transfer window he was close to the top of the list. I was responding to duo's post saying he was Eddie's number 1 target and he wasn't, not even in the summer gone. 'Close to the top of the list' is another matter, but I wasn't responding to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, Pilko said: Happy to be corrected here, but my recollection is we'd been linked with Elanga for 18-24 months prior to him actually signing and the only other serious link for a right winger last summer was Mbuemo, it leaked he was going to Man U and then we went and bought Elanga. In retrospect we could have gleaned that the only summer signing we seemingly got early and unopposed would indeed be absolutely chod as everyone else had him sussed as not worth £55m in a month of Sundays. If we wanted Mbuemo but couldn’t get him - surely the next 2/3 players on the list are of the same profile and not someone who is the polar opposite? That being said - there was no ground work done imo (talk to agents, get the nod for these signings to go ahead) - we made things up as we went along in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Yeah. Gordon was our original RW choice, who then ended up playing LW, we've bid for Olise, were in for Mbeumo, owned and were forced to sell Minteh. We also bid for Maddison and were heavily linked with Szoboszlai for that inverted RW playmaker role. Like I say, the transfer on its own is worth scrutinising but he wasn't Howe’s first choice by any means. Elanga has been very high up on the RW list. No two ways about it. Szoboszlai was always meant as one for our midfield three. Olise was a pipe dream. I don’t even think we made an official bid for him. At least not what I remember reading from anyone reliable. Don’t think Maddison would have played there either if we had gone hard for him. Mbeumo yeah, fair enough. Either way, even if he had a player or two higher on his list than Elanga it doesn’t make it right to sign him because we missed out on another player. Extremely limited player who had the the absolute perfect setup for him at Forest built around his strengths and where there was tons of space and runs to make in straight lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said: Think there is a good player in there but has been entirely mismanaged by Howe. He has no first touch or footballing IQ as a 50m player and for where we want to go - he’s a waste of money and we are stuck with him - that’s the reality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ikon said: Elanga has been very high up on the RW list. No two ways about it. Szoboszlai was always meant as one for our midfield three. Olise was a pipe dream. I don’t even think we made an official bid for him. At least not what I remember reading from anyone reliable. Don’t think Maddison would have played there either if we had gone hard for him. Mbeumo yeah, fair enough. Either way, even if he had a player or two higher on his list than Elanga it doesn’t make it right to sign him because we missed out on another player. Extremely limited player who had the the absolute perfect setup for him at Forest built around his strengths and where there was tons of space and runs to make in straight lines. As I've just said to nufc123, I was responding to duo who said he was Eddie's number 1 target. Never denied he wasn't high on the list, more that there were plenty of players we went for before him. Edited April 18 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 4 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said: Think there is a good player in there but has been entirely mismanaged by Howe. He has ZERO footballing fundamentals on any technical level. There will never be a good player in there. He’s utterly woeful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I was responding to duo's post saying he was Eddie's number 1 target and he wasn't, not even in the summer gone. 'Close to the top of the list' is another matter, but I wasn't responding to that. Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Just now, Mikky said: He has no first touch or footballing IQ as a 50m player and for where we want to go - he’s a waste of money and we are stuck with him - that’s the reality But we're not really stuck with him though are we. Someone took a punt on Chris Wood, Shelvey, Riviere etc. Just because a player doesn't fit a team doesn't mean no one else will steer way clear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, Minhosa said: He has ZERO footballing fundamentals on any technical level. There will never be a good player in there. He’s utterly woeful. He was a really good player at Forest. So we know that’s not true. The difference is Howe. If we bring in a top manager we will get some mileage out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 9 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said: Think there is a good player in there but has been entirely mismanaged by Howe. Top trolling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said: He was a really good player at Forest. So we know that’s not true. The difference is Howe. If we bring in a top manager we will get some mileage out of him. Nah. He’s fucking dreadful. His inability to trap a ball, cross a ball or be of any use without the ball means there is ZERO chance he can ever be useful on any sustainable level and that’s not on Howe. The scouting is but this is like we’ve signed his retarded twin brother. He’s a fucking embarrassment. Woeful. Edited April 18 by Minhosa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 I always give players (and managers) time, but I said early on with Elanga that I couldn't see what we (Eddie?) had seen in him. He surrenders possession as much as Murphy, has a poor first touch, and was regularly on his heels, meaning he's beaten to a ball played into his feet by the defender marking him. These are all basics and shouldn't need to be coached into a professional footballer in his early twenties. He's got pace and his delivery isn't bad (although it's detoriated lately with loss of confidence) but Murphy has both of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Tried to be behind him as much as possible this season but my fucking word, he’s absolutely appalling. How those in charge thought that he could be the big RW upgrade…Christ. One of the poorest players for us I’ve ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said: Tried to be behind him as much as possible this season but my fucking word, he’s absolutely appalling. How those in charge thought that he could be the big RW upgrade…Christ. One of the poorest players for us I’ve ever seen. He's a downgrade on Miggy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, Minhosa said: He's a downgrade on Miggy. You are being kind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 I mean there's dropping a stinker and there's that today. Fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumG6 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Makes Miggy look like prime Robben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 7 minutes ago, CallumG6 said: Makes Miggy look like prime Robben I think current Robben would be an upgrade on this blockhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 39 minutes ago, Menace said: But we're not really stuck with him though are we. Someone took a punt on Chris Wood, Shelvey, Riviere etc. Just because a player doesn't fit a team doesn't mean no one else will steer way clear We spent circa 52m which hurts our accounts - we are stuck because we can’t afford to count him as a loss - it’s a big problem in the next few years or maybe longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jesse Pinkman said: Think there is a good player in there but has been entirely mismanaged by Howe. He's an incredibly limited player that could be a threat if he is put in specific positions and is given a basic set of instructions to follow. We don't seem to have any sort of plan to try and get anything productive out of him. The players are just out there doing whatever. This is a player that struggles to pick out a pass and keep possession in tight spaces, and most of that game both Tonali and Tino were crowding the right wing and bringing their defenders with them, which meant he had no space to even try to run at his man and just put a ball in the box often enough like you ideally want, and instead he was then trying to do the things you never want him to do, which is get involved in any type of intricate link up play. On the other side the opposite was happening with Barnes. Who wasn't getting enough support from other players to work one-twos with to help him get by Jimenez. He was instead afforded all kinds of space to run at Jimenez 1 on 1, which Barnes is not good at, and he just kept getting the ball taken off him. There just doesn't seem to be a good enough tactical plan to get the most out of the players who are not good enough to just put out there and expect them to figure things out. This is ultimately going to get Howe in big trouble. Edited April 18 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 If we sit deep and just hit teams on the counter then he can be an asset, as that is how Forest got the best out of him but we almost never play that way so it's looking a more and more strange signing Rayan looked levels above him on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: If we sit deep and just hit teams on the counter then he can be an asset, as that is how Forest got the best out of him but we almost never play that way so it's looking a more and more strange signing Rayan looked levels above him on the pitch Tbh, that Forest team made Wood look an England striker. If was like a Bruce team on steroids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 11 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: If we sit deep and just hit teams on the counter then he can be an asset, as that is how Forest got the best out of him but we almost never play that way so it's looking a more and more strange signing Rayan looked levels above him on the pitch Cost about half the price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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