SteV Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 3 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Not what we offer he’s not. Well obviously, but the aim is clearly to negotiate from there. If they said “no, and he’s not even for sale at £80m”, I doubt we’d bother perusing it. There’s obviously a price, but whether it’s one we can get to is another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 2 minutes ago, SteV said: Well obviously, but the aim is clearly to negotiate from there. If they said “no, and he’s not even for sale at £80m”, I doubt we’d bother perusing it. There’s obviously a price, but whether it’s one we can get to is another matter. Fair enough but reports are saying Forest won’t even consider talking unless a bid of at least £60m is tabled, I mean he has 3 years left on his contract yet so far apparently we’ve only bid around £45m, I mean come on. Annoying thing is I think there’s no doubt he’ll want to come as we’ve hit CL twice in last three years etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 2 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Fair enough but reports are saying Forest won’t even consider talking unless a bid of at least £60m is tabled, I mean he has 3 years left on his contract yet so far apparently we’ve only bid around £45m, I mean come on. Annoying thing is I think there’s no doubt he’ll want to come as we’ve hit CL twice in last three years etc. I’d take all the reports with a pinch of salt. It depends which side they’re coming from as to what spin is put on it. As Eddie said following the Guehi saga last year, the numbers quoted were a load of shite. If two clubs are genuinely in negotiations (not actually sure if that’s the case here tbf), then there has to be a realistic belief on both sides that an acceptable number can be reached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 Not sure what makes him 60m What does that make Barnes or Gordon worth then? I mean Murphys age doesn't help him, but I'm sure his numbers were better than Elanga over the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 44 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Fair enough but reports are saying Forest won’t even consider talking unless a bid of at least £60m is tabled, I mean he has 3 years left on his contract yet so far apparently we’ve only bid around £45m, I mean come on. Annoying thing is I think there’s no doubt he’ll want to come as we’ve hit CL twice in last three years etc. He's not worth £45 million, never mind £60 million. I would certainly hope we have moved on and looking at other options currently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 2 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Not sure what makes him 60m What does that make Barnes or Gordon worth then? I mean Murphys age doesn't help him, but I'm sure his numbers were better than Elanga over the season. They were Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 Just now, et tu brute said: He's not worth £45 million, never mind £60 million. I would certainly hope we have moved on and looking at other options currently He's definitely worth £45m, young English winger who's just had a brilliant season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 1 minute ago, Alberto2005 said: He's definitely worth £45m, young English winger who's just had a brilliant season. In your opinion fair enough, not in mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 Just now, et tu brute said: In your opinion fair enough, not in mine What value do you have him at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 (edited) 5 minutes ago, et tu brute said: They were Just checked last season Murphy had 2 goals more but that was Murphy best by far (8 goals and 12 assists last season) but every other Murphy’s are way worse (around 3 goals and 6 assists last season, 4 and 2 season before) where last 2 seasons elangles have been consistent (6 and 11 then 6 and 10). It seems what we’ll get is a Murphy slightly lower than his best but consistently. Edited July 2, 2025 by Gawalls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 4 hours ago, gbandit said: I couldn’t cope with the hyperbole, noped out after a couple of sentences I’ll read the tortuous thing (a) never (b) when and if…, whichever comes first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 8 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said: What value do you have him at? Me £35 at a push £40 million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 7 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Just checked last season Murphy had 2 goals more but that was Murphy best by far (8 goals and 12 assists last season) but every other Murphy’s are way worse (around 3 goals and 6 assists last season, 4 and 2 season before) where last 2 seasons elangles have been consistent (6 and 11 then 6 and 10). It seems what we’ll get is a Murphy slightly lower than his best but consistently. Yeah Murphy had a special season in terms of assists and goals. I agree he needs to be a back up player though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 2, 2025 Share Posted July 2, 2025 15 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Me £35 at a push £40 million Forrest don't want to sell so if we want him sadly we'll have to pay a premium - for 60 mil though I would rather we tried for Xavi Simons (if he'd come) as there's a far bigger potential upside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 His name's Elanga He digs The Stranglers He loves a Fanta And a sausage sanga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 4 hours ago, et tu brute said: In your opinion fair enough, not in mine You’re not going to find a better RW than Elanga for less than £50m+ like, even abroad. Have you not seen the fees being quoted for some absolute bang average footballers this summer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 2 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said: You’re not going to find a better RW than Elanga for less than £50m+ like, even abroad. Have you not seen the fees being quoted for some absolute bang average footballers this summer? I’d also hazard a guess that Howe thinks he can make Elanga better too and the evidence is there with players he’s improved at the club already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 6 hours ago, Alberto2005 said: He's definitely worth £45m, young English winger who's just had a brilliant season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 3 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said: You’re not going to find a better RW than Elanga for less than £50m+ like, even abroad. Have you not seen the fees being quoted for some absolute bang average footballers this summer? This is a massive sweeping statement. I’m very much sure there are better wingers than Elanga for less than £50m. Identifying them is the hard part and a risk we may not want to take. But to act like it’s impossible isn’t right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: This is a massive sweeping statement. I’m very much sure there are better wingers than Elanga for less than £50m. Identifying them is the hard part and a risk we may not want to take. But to act like it’s impossible isn’t right. He never said it’s impossible- he said “you’re never going to find a better one” and he’s probably right. He’s definitely right about the prices - to say he’s worth around £35m to £40m is just wrong, I mean that’s what Sunderland are buying and selling some at, we can’t say Sunderland’s signings are shit as their buying bargain buys then say we expect to get Elanga at £35m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: This is a massive sweeping statement. I’m very much sure there are better wingers than Elanga for less than £50m. Identifying them is the hard part and a risk we may not want to take. But to act like it’s impossible isn’t right. We’ll agree to disagree on that one. Although maybe I should have said you’re not going to find a “better signing for us”, rather than “better RW” in general. Elanga is about as close to a guaranteed “good signing” as you’re going to get for what we need at this point in time. Raw ability / attributes ✅ Premier League experience ✅ Easy to integrate into squad ✅ Off the back of a great season ✅ High ceiling to improve further under Howe ✅ Great attitude / personality ✅ Extensively scouted and been interested in for the last 3 windows ✅ Likely to come in and perform well straight away ✅ There’s certainly no one else who ticks as many boxes as that available for less than £50m. There might be some players available for cheaper who tick some of the boxes and may tick those boxes in the future, but IN MY OPINION, we want / need players to come in and perform straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 Sunderland are buying players nobody has ever heard of and that have never played in this league before for 30+ million. 60 million for Elanga isn't so bad at all compared to that . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 I'm actually coming around on this one based largely on his personality and attitude. Still think we need someone who can unlock a defence but maybe we can look at getting that in an Isak cover / no.10 style player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 (edited) Just now, loki679 said: I'm actually coming around on this one based largely on his personality and attitude. Still think we need someone who can unlock a defence but maybe we can look at getting that in an Isak cover / no.10 style player. I think he will be canny, doesn't make 60m reasonable though Edited July 3, 2025 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted July 3, 2025 Share Posted July 3, 2025 Nah, the price is still over the odds but a big bag of money on the right wing won't get as many assists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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