Manchester City - 115 Charges Case for Alleged Financial Breaches Begins

[Stifler]

15 minutes ago, McCormick said:

As a Newcastle fan, I can’t really hate Man City tbh. If anything, they proved the established elite can be disrupted. For decades the same legacy clubs dominated football financially and politically, then City came along and forced their way into that circle.

Funny how spending and financial power only became this huge moral issue once clubs outside the traditional cartel started competing with the old guard.

Yeah. Man City are us just 10 years earlier.

If only Ashley hadn’t had fucked off their owners eh?

[TRon]

Just now, andycap said:

Why not? 

Ownership change for been dodgy 

Chelsea should've had to do it. 

 

 

Did Chelsea have to pay all the money back to Abramovic which transformed them into a superclub?

 

 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, andycap said:

Why not? 

Ownership change for been dodgy 

Chelsea should've had to do it. 

Nothing dodgy about city's ownership change though. It would also set a horrible precedent. 

[andycap]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

Did Chelsea have to pay all the money back to Abramovic which transformed them into a superclub?

 

 

No 

[andycap]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Nothing dodgy about city's ownership change though. It would also set a horrible precedent. 

Well since they got in all these charges have come to light. 

Fake investment companies to get funds into the clubs coffers. 

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, andycap said:

No 

 

 

Exactly. 

[andycap]

Just now, TRon said:

 

 

Exactly. 

But they should have had to do it. 

To let the new owners off with a clean slate basically was unfair to say the least. 

[KingArthur]

17 minutes ago, madras said:

This. "No winner" like the Tour De France did with Armstrongs wins.

I have actually asked in a quiz that how many Tour de France titles Armstrong has. Someone always gets it wrong and I have to explain.

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, andycap said:

But they should have had to do it. 

To let the new owners off with a clean slate basically was unfair to say the least. 

 

 

Welcome to the real world though mate. Why do you think we have a cartel running the Premier League here, and a bigger one which operates throughout Europe? It's a closed shop, and that's not by accident. 

 

 

Edited May 25 by TRon

[Chris_R]

Man City are what we want to be. 

 

No reason to hate them or anything they've done, or to want them punished. 

 

Fuck the red cartel. Less that cabal of cunts win, the better.

[Nucasol]

3 hours ago, Drewboy74 said:

He'll probably go on loan somewhere for a season. The cheating twats.

Barcelona to replace Lewa.

[St. Maximin]

9 hours ago, r0cafella said:

This is where I am, they basically said fuck the nonsense rules. 

Except those rules have seen smaller clubs get penalised, so would set a terrible precedent if Man City get away with it especially when they have multiple charges for not assisting the PL. That some of these rules are stupid doesn’t mean anyone should be above them. 
 

I also don’t really buy the idea some have that this is all about the ‘red cartel’ without more evidence. These charges date back to 2009 and FFP is not a new or solely PL thing. 
 

Comparing us to them is interesting too. They allegedly broke the rules and managed to win loads of trophies. Not sad at all we don’t seem to have done that. 

[Decky]

14/1 is seriously tempting like. 

[Turnbull2000]

You'd think there'd be reputational concerns from the PL, certainly. Stripping them of their titles or relegating them risks harming the product. 

[andycap]

The thread title seems weird, I thought they'd already done this and we were waiting for the results. 

[madras]

9 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

You'd think there'd be reputational concerns from the PL, certainly. Stripping them of their titles or relegating them risks harming the product. 

Chelseas punishment was a set up for what to expect.

 

Anyway, what sort of punishment should Man city get, stripped of titles for one, points deduction of around 20points for next season and a 5 year suspension on sponsorships (saying as boosting sponsorships was a major no-no that they done) and they really shouldn't be able to benefit from their rules breaking. To not do that is to convict and sentence a fraudster to a few months but let them keep the billions they defrauded.

[duo]

Even if they got relegated the success they been able to cheat their way to means they have been able to build their income to just rebuild and come straight back up. And carry on where they left off.  It will have been worth it. 

[duo]

14 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Of all the ills and inequities in football, city are right down the bottom of the list for me.

I don't understand that mentality. We lost Anderson, Isak and who knows who else due to these bollocks rules why should they get a free pass. Challenge them in court rather than cheating ever other club bound by them.

[Decky]

5 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said:

You'd think there'd be reputational concerns from the PL, certainly. Stripping them of their titles or relegating them risks harming the product. 

 

They'll be punished financially and with points. I can't see them being stripped although they deserve it. If they do get stripped it opens a whole world of pain for the PL. What about teams who finished 5th and missed CL football? What about teams who finished 18th? 

 

 

Edited May 26 by Decky

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

6 hours ago, duo said:

I don't understand that mentality. We lost Anderson, Isak and who knows who else due to these bollocks rules why should they get a free pass. Challenge them in court rather than cheating ever other club bound by them.

We sold Anderson in 2024. City’s case runs to 2018. During the period of time of the city case we were owned by Mike Ashley. Nobody did anything to stop a club like ours being run as a non-competitive entity. That’s a far bigger issue for me. The bollocks rules (or Newcastle rules) caused the matters you refer to. So if I am to get worked up about football (and I find myself increasingly turned off) it’s the bollocks rules that are the biggest source of irritation. I’ll find it hard to muster much energy if city get away with something. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don’t think the PL really has a reputation driver, same as it doesn’t have an overall strategy to make the product as attractive as possible. 
 

If they did they wouldn’t stop clubs signing players at all IMO, they would want as much money flowing through the PL as physically possible. 
 

The PL’s problem is it’s a member’s club with the aim of maintaining stability - protecting the top few members and allowing the bottom few to stay in it cheaply. 

[ikri]

11 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said:

You'd think there'd be reputational concerns from the PL, certainly. Stripping them of their titles or relegating them risks harming the product. 

 

Assuming they're found guilty of some, if not all, the charges, doing nothing or attempting to gloss over everything will also damage the league's reputation.  It will show that if you have enough money you can just cheat and there'll be no comeback.

[duo]

Everyone knows the rules are there to protect the big six and you would assume if challenged in court they would be thrown out as they have to be anti competitive. In what other business are you prevented to invest in your business. But instead they chose to find a root where only they benefitted and forget everyone else. Whatever punishment they get anyway it's meaningless as whatever punishment they get they'll have benefited more. 

[Big Geordie]

Whilst it's possible to feel 'some' sympathy for Man City supporters, remember folks whilst they have been disrupters, I would argue that they are still part of the top 6 cabal that has got PL football sewn up. They have bent and broken the rules like Chelsea, where we have had to do everything by the book (hopefully), whilst having to see some our brightest young talents to comply. 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Big Geordie said:

Whilst it's possible to feel 'some' sympathy for Man City supporters, remember folks whilst they have been disrupters, I would argue that they are still part of the top 6 cabal that has got PL football sewn up. They have bent and broken the rules like Chelsea, where we have had to do everything by the book (hopefully), whilst having to see some our brightest young talents to comply. 

The problem is the rules are obviously nonsense. Fortunately for them they managed to boost themselves before the rules became a road block.