Newcastle United 1-2 sunderland - 22/03/26

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Weezertron said:

Just finished watching the game. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[stozo]

As painful as today was, I don't think it really changed a thing about how I view the team. It was just a rinse and repeat of the games we've struggled in this season. Attack was once again middling. Not terrible but not good. And that meant we once again got pulled into a close game. And when you get pulled into a close game, you have to be defensively perfect and we weren't. 

 

The thing that surprised me most today was atmosphere. Absolutely buzzing at kick-off and for most of the first half, and then really poor in the second half. Obviously the players have to do their bit but it felt like as soon as Sunderland scored the energy left the stadium, people got frustrated with the players etc. - I was honestly pretty surprised at that given the game was still firmly in the balance. Dare I say our home crowd has got a bit complacent/arrogant? Seems like the expectation is we should just roll over Sunderland and the minute that stopped happening it felt like people were pissed off.

[Ronaldo]

Honestly my reading of the crowd is they don’t expect goals most of the time. They’ve got no one to get excited about on the pitch either. It’s just predictable, chase the opponents down into making a mistake crap.

[Chicken Dancer]

3 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

Honestly my reading of the crowd is they don’t expect goals most of the time. They’ve got no one to get excited about on the pitch either. It’s just predictable, chase the opponents down into making a mistake crap.

 A team of athletes now. Hardly any technical ability and certainly no mavericks, though that’s football across the board. 
 

When your USP starts failing (out running the opposition) it’s probably time for a change. I think the crowd turned today, which I feared might happen. 

[geordiesteve710]

1 hour ago, deejeck said:

What the fuck was wrong with their fans? Quiet for a massive chunk of the game. 

Modern football.

 

Same as us through there but the difference was they scored and had summat to shout about. Didnt hear a peep until then in what was a very disappointing atmosphere all round imo

[AyeDubbleYoo]

24 minutes ago, stozo said:

As painful as today was, I don't think it really changed a thing about how I view the team. It was just a rinse and repeat of the games we've struggled in this season. Attack was once again middling. Not terrible but not good. And that meant we once again got pulled into a close game. And when you get pulled into a close game, you have to be defensively perfect and we weren't.

 

Totally agree. I've said it before I've never expected a 'turnaround' or anything resembling a complete transformation of our play this season. Even as we've improved a bit I always expected further setbacks.

 

It's just the nature of how we are at the moment, especially with lack of time to train and the injuries to all our technical CMs. We know we don't have the ability to dominate any team really. 

 

It will probably be up and down until the very end, our best chance now is that we have fewer games and some time to train. 

[The Prophet]

20 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

 A team of athletes now. Hardly any technical ability and certainly no mavericks, though that’s football across the board. 
 

When your USP starts failing (out running the opposition) it’s probably time for a change. I think the crowd turned today, which I feared might happen. 

 

Of the the outfield players today, I'd say Botman, Hall, Ramsey, Woltemade and Barnes are all more technical than athletic.

[Infinitely Content]

There was an alarming moment for me today in the last 30 or so minutes when the substitutes were being made, and without Bruno or dare I say Isak on the pitch - I realised we don't have a single player to get really excited about in an offensive manner, someone who can do something special, beyond ordinary. I've thought it many times but in that moment it became abundantly clear. I think it was because it reminded me of when Pardew brought Ben Arfa on for 20-30 minutes and he terrorised a tiring Sunderland in the 1-1.

Felt a bit sad about it to be honest, all that money spent and we don't have any magic.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I thought we took Woltemade off just as he was starting to find some space, was an error. 

[geordiesteve710]

3 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

There was an alarming moment for me today in the last 30 or so minutes when the substitutes were being made, and without Bruno or dare I say Isak on the pitch - I realised we don't have a single player to get really excited about in an offensive manner, someone who can do something special, beyond ordinary. I've thought it many times but in that moment it became abundantly clear. I think it was because it reminded me of when Pardew brought Ben Arfa on for 20-30 minutes and he terrorised a tiring Sunderland in the 1-1.

Felt a bit sad about it to be honest, all that money spent and we don't have any magic.

I agree but for me I was more alarmed that we didnt have the players to calm everyone down and stop the ever-more threatening attacks.

[Infinitely Content]

That's true as well, we were needlessly frantic from about 20 minutes onwards and any semblance of composure only deteriorated further and further as the match went on. Seen it happen on many an occasion this season.

[Superior Acuña]

It was clear within a couple of minutes of the second half starting we were in for a grim half. I wish they’d react to that. Really disappointed by them - this can’t be undone by moving onto the next game and winning that. We’ve just let them do the double over us, something we last did TWENTY years ago 

[Danh1]

4 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

It was clear within a couple of minutes of the second half starting we were in for a grim half. I wish they’d react to that. Really disappointed by them - this can’t be undone by moving onto the next game and winning that. We’ve just let them do the double over us, something we last did TWENTY years ago 

Feels very deflating. Out of the cup, CL and lost the derby all within the last 2 weeks or so

 

Concerned that things could get toxic in the coming weeks in the stadium. We’ve lost 3 of our last 4 home league games to late winners, grim 

[Whitley mag]

5 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

It was clear within a couple of minutes of the second half starting we were in for a grim half. I wish they’d react to that. Really disappointed by them - this can’t be undone by moving onto the next game and winning that. We’ve just let them do the double over us, something we last did TWENTY years ago 

Yeah naive of players and coaching staff if they think this is easily put right. Fallout of this will linger over club for rest of the season.

[p_cowell141]

5 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Yeah naive of players and coaching staff if they think this is easily put right. Fallout of this will linger over club for rest of the season.

Until we play them and beat them next season (hopefully). 

[Wolfcastle]

1 hour ago, stozo said:

As painful as today was, I don't think it really changed a thing about how I view the team. It was just a rinse and repeat of the games we've struggled in this season. Attack was once again middling. Not terrible but not good. And that meant we once again got pulled into a close game. And when you get pulled into a close game, you have to be defensively perfect and we weren't. 

 

The thing that surprised me most today was atmosphere. Absolutely buzzing at kick-off and for most of the first half, and then really poor in the second half. Obviously the players have to do their bit but it felt like as soon as Sunderland scored the energy left the stadium, people got frustrated with the players etc. - I was honestly pretty surprised at that given the game was still firmly in the balance. Dare I say our home crowd has got a bit complacent/arrogant? Seems like the expectation is we should just roll over Sunderland and the minute that stopped happening it felt like people were pissed off.

That's no different to any of these derbys. Its why I don't get the 'occasions' and atmospheres being some peoples justifications for wanting them back. Its no laugh trailing in a derby, they're usually wretched games and not conducive to support from a trailing position. The last 2-1 at SJP was just the same.

 

 

Edited March 22 by Wolfcastle

[Heron]

Better team won. We carried too many passengers, they wanted it more and tactically they had us somewhat sussed out as soon as our energy dropped. Love Eddie Howe and I'm Howe in 100% but today is largely on him (whilst the rest of the season I attribute to mismanagement from above).

 

All a contributory factor of course.

 

Easy solution for folk to suggest the change in manager but how do we progress again without regressing further first? Only viable argument for that in my eyes is selling players Howe himself has developed to such a high value and quality - which in itself argues his case for manager.

 

There is no-one at the club who has exceeded or done better in their role than Howe. No one.

 

For today hate to say it but they've got their 9 out of 10 season and we have to A) Get in to Europe and B) Stop them finishing above us.

 

If they finish above us they've completed over and above what they expected this year. Le Bris is a good manager with a fairly shite but organised side. That was enough....twice.

 

 

Edited March 22 by Heron

[Wolfcastle]

10 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Yeah naive of players and coaching staff if they think this is easily put right. Fallout of this will linger over club for rest of the season.

Based too much on Tindall's daughters post admittedly, but I do get the feeling they've been taken aback by the response when its just standard stuff in big derbys.

It may have become a cliche about players and managers not being able to show their faces in town for a week after a loss but they learned today at some places it not just football bants but actually based on something.

[Danh1]

3 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Based too much on Tindall's daughters post admittedly, but I do get the feeling they've been taken aback by the response when its just standard stuff in big derbys.

It may have become a cliche about players and managers not being able to show their faces in town for a week after a loss but they learned today at some places it not just football bants but actually based on something.

I wonder if they were unaware as to how big the derby is. Losing it last minute after another stinking display, they deserve all the shit they’re getting 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, Ronaldo said:

Honestly my reading of the crowd is they don’t expect goals most of the time. They’ve got no one to get excited about on the pitch either. It’s just predictable, chase the opponents down into making a mistake crap.

 

Name a PL side that isnt. 

[Keefaz]

I remember a time when we hardly ever lost to the mackems. It was like 3 losses in about 21 since we first got promoted to the PL. I do feel a bit for those who think these are games we always lose and hate them for that reason, but historically it's basically 50-50. We'll win again. I want games that mean something. Even if it hurts sometimes. What's the point otherwise? 

[Superior Acuña]

21 minutes ago, Keefaz said:

I remember a time when we hardly ever lost to the mackems. It was like 3 losses in about 21 since we first got promoted to the PL. I do feel a bit for those who think these are games we always lose and hate them for that reason, but historically it's basically 50-50. We'll win again. I want games that mean something. Even if it hurts sometimes. What's the point otherwise? 

We didn’t lose between the 99/00 1-2 home under Bobby til the 08/09 1-2 under Kinnear. That was 9 games unbeaten. They didn’t beat us at the SoS til their 7th attempt. 
 

At St James’s they waited from the 99/00 until the first 3-0 in 12/13. But now won 4 of last 5 at SJP, including that one. 

[Wolfcastle]

1 hour ago, Keefaz said:

I remember a time when we hardly ever lost to the mackems. It was like 3 losses in about 21 since we first got promoted to the PL. I do feel a bit for those who think these are games we always lose and hate them for that reason, but historically it's basically 50-50. We'll win again. I want games that mean something. Even if it hurts sometimes. What's the point otherwise? 

Four defeats between 1980 and 2013.  Unbeaten in Sunderland for 28years to 2008.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Wolfcastle

[Haz]

Adjunct to my comments about our status compared to theirs, I was dismayed to learn about the racist abuse hurled at their player. Together with the pre and post trouble it’s disgusting and I thought we were above that. Its actually Sunderland’s domain and we’ve got to be above that.

[Guillaume]

Shows how poor we are, fucking Luke O'Nien at the back and a goalie that looked nervous every time the ball went near him, yet we never really tested either of them after the goal.