Kid Icarus Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: I agree their achievements are nigh on mirrored, but last season Villa reached the points tally we're on now in gameweek 26 last season FWIW. The same game we played and beat Spurs away on the 10th Feb. You can say it's because of loan signings in Jan, but we also could have done that this year instead of sitting on our hands and trying more of the same shite every week. This is where I definitely agree like. Tbh not even so much January gone, but past Januarys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Holloway said: given our relatively new CEO and DOF and the absent nature of our ownership, what is the selection process of a new manager going to look like beyond 'get Emery' Well, the fact they are now at least in place and have been operating for a bit gives me hope but at this time last year a manager search would have been a bloody disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofTheFourth Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said: They missed out to Eddie Howe's Newcastle United, which I think says a lot about who is and isn't getting credit in that scenario. Emery's done a cracking job. Like I say, it's the disparity between the perception of what Emery's done at Villa vs what Howe's done here that I think is so jarring. They finished equal on points with us in a season we hadn't got Europe and they were in the UCL and got to the QF. Which is why im saying is unfair to compare. all you have to do is look at 3rd place Man united rn. So many of the teams above us don't have European football. 4/9 teams in europe are in the bottom half of the table. Every manager will tell you how much harder it is to juggle both. Yeah villa started off the season badly they should have been all but out UCL contention but they managed to go on a crazy run and fought for ucl until the end thanks to a good january transfer window. We had an opportunity to do that. We got knocked out of Europe earlier. All we had to do is concentrate on the league this month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said: They finished equal on points with us in a season we hadn't got Europe and they were in the UCL and got to the QF. Which is why im saying is unfair to compare. all you have to do is look at 3rd place Man united rn. So many of the teams above us don't have European football. 4/9 teams in europe are in the bottom half of the table. Every manager will tell you how much harder it is to juggle both. Yeah villa started off the season badly they should have been all but out UCL contention but they managed to go on a crazy run and fought for ucl until the end thanks to a good january transfer window. We had an opportunity to do that. We got knocked out of Europe earlier. All we had to do is concentrate on the league this month. Yes, but in this whole Newcastle Villa seasons thing, they're a year behind us. Obviously there's no real scientific method to this, but if you pair them up their 24/25 (6th) was our 23/24 (7th), their 25/26 (4th or 5th and a probable cup win) is our 24/25 (5th and a cup win), whether their 26/27 will be our 25/26, we'll see. Edited April 20 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetteringMag Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 It’s going to be Jose Mourinho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 37 minutes ago, KetteringMag said: It’s going to be Jose Mourinho Inside info? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Personally I think Emery is the best manager in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 If you're Emery, you want NO writing your CV for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Just now, The Prophet said: If you're Emery, you want NO writing your CV for you. Don’t be silly. He’s a very very good manager that has proven it time after time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ikon said: Don’t be silly. He’s a very very good manager that has proven it time after time. It wasn't a dig at you personally, I've just seem a lot of longing for Emery over the years. I think he's an excellent tournament manager, who rehabilitated his imagine of being "the Europa League guy" by doing a brilliant job at Villa. He's very good though and I'd certainly not turn my nose up at him, personally I just think he's a long way from being the best in the league. Edited April 20 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, Ikon said: Don’t be silly. He’s a very very good manager that has proven it time after time. in Europe but his transfers are shocking and cup runs bare the uefa cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I’m a massive Emery fan, but if people think Howe has too much control, Emery pretty much runs Villa. Their owners even invested in one of his clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Can't wrap my head around why Emery's name even keeps coming up, there's absolutely no chance he's leaving Villa to come here. Might as well discuss bringing in Pep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Emery, Simone…lay off the Wacky Backy. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Andy said: Can't wrap my head around why Emery's name even keeps coming up, there's absolutely no chance he's leaving Villa to come here. Might as well discuss bringing in Pep. It was just a comparison in the context of someone saying 'Ireola could do for us what Emery did for Villa' naturally followed by a few of us saying that Howe has done for us what Emery has for Villa. Edited April 20 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 43 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: It was just a comparison in the context of someone saying 'Ireola could do for us what Emery did for Villa' naturally followed by a few of us saying that Howe has done for us what Emery has for Villa. I've seen/heard his name pop up quite a few times tbf, on here and off here, not just in the last two pages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, PCW1983 said: Emery, Simone…lay off the Wacky Backy. 😂 Someone mentioned Inzaghi which I think is a good shout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: At present they've finished in a European place the same amount of times as us and are due to finish this season +1 on that front. That's not them being consistent and us yo-yoing, there's very little difference unless you want to count the year 7th didn't get us into Europe because of Man United winning the FA Cup as a failure on our part, but the year they got 7th and got into the Conference as a success on theirs', which obviously makes no sense. Howe also came in in November the previous year and got us from 20th to 11th, Emery came in and got them from 16th to 7th. The exact same amount of positions jumped and 43 points vs 46 points gained - again very similar. Their positions have been 7th, 4th, 6th, probably 4th or 5th and maybe a cup - starting from a higher position and with a squad that already had the likes of Martinez, Watkins, Konsa, Mings, Kamara, McGinn, Cash in it and with the Grealish money in its back pocket. Comparatively, our positions have been 11th, 4th, 7th, 5th and a cup - starting from a lower position and with a squad that's only survivors are Schär, Murphy, and Joelinton - all of which are now on their way out. Our season ahead of theirs' has obviously been really bad, so it'll be interesting to see what their version (26/27) will be like. None of this is to downplay Emery's achievements either btw, but the extent to which Emery is hailed as this that and the other while Howe's achievements are downplayed or sidelined - all while their achievements are actually really, really similar - is what I find mad. Easy to forget that this time a year ago and in fact at the start of this very successful season that there was a Emery Out section of Villa's support who were picking out his flaws in player selection, the tactics, the subs etc. Things can change really quickly in football like, look at the esteem Howe was held in a year ago. Emery could very well be in Howe's position in a year's time and vice-versa. If Emery has a season like Howe's, which he's due according to your trajectory path, then he'll come in for plenty of criticism as well. I think Emery is a bit more flexible with his formations so might juggle his squad a bit better, but next season will be interesting for sure. I think a drop off is forgiveable but I think we've dropped off a cliff this season, that's what has caused real consternation. If you drop from 5th to 9th then it doesn't look so bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Ikon said: Don’t be silly. He’s a very very good manager that has proven it time after time. Except Arsenal. That didn't go so well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Can't deny Emery gets results, but this Villa team for me is extremely boring to watch with 4 central midfielders behind Rogers in a seemingly free role, and somewhere in the distance ahead of him again, waiting for the ball to bounce the right way, Watkins lurking. Rogers has played in literally all their games this season. Think they are incredibly dependent on him. Like Bruno x3 dependent. Howe > Emery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, duo said: Fabregas or Alonso would be the dream, think they would both help attract players and generate some real excitement around the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) There really isn't much between Emery and Howe like. I enjoy their tactical battles and pretty sure Howe has won more than him. One thing I'll give Emery is that he can take a punt in the loan market/Spanish market quite easily and it's the difference between still playing people like Trippier or paying £55m for Elanga/Wissa Just saw he's bought £400M or so of players and sold £300m worth Howe's bought £750m worth and sold around £400m worth Villas team was far stronger when Emery took over Gerrard as opposed to Howe's team when he took over Bruce. Tough one Edited April 23 by Menace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 18 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Imagine him doing that signal in front of the qweerside lot. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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