If not Howe, then who?

[andycap]

Maresca, 

Pochettino, 

Nagelsmann, if he doesn't go to man utd. 

Alonso, if Liverpool decide to stick with slot. 

Iraola, 

That manager that used to be at Dortmund when we played them. 

 

 

[lovejoy]

I think it’ll be Hoeness from Stuttgart.

 

 

[TRC]

This is for Wilson to decide, he should be much more knowledgeable than any of us on this. 
 

Id like to see something a bit outside of the box but anyone who comes in ill give them time.

[tgarve]

Simeone

[andycap]

Just now, tgarve said:

Simeone

Would he leave Madrid? He's the highest paid manager in the world I heard. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

38 minutes ago, Ritchie said:

Anyone who suggests Mourinho has been hit with a brick.

FYP 

[Kilcline]

Maresca and Mourinho  how many more times are we going to go around in those particular circles on here man 

[Bunk Moreland]

Hoeness would be quite interesting, but would he come to us if he qualifies for the CL with Stuttgart?

[toontownman]

2 hours ago, B-more Mag said:

Not entirely convinced Miggy's the answer, but I'm willing to listen.

I'm in just for the moment he comes beaming into his first training session. Trademark smile then the session begins, the smile drops and he brings pure HELL as a tyrannical coach.

[Magic Rat]

49 minutes ago, andycap said:

Maresca, 

Pochettino, 

Nagelsmann, if he doesn't go to man utd. 

Alonso, if Liverpool decide to stick with slot. 

Iraola, 

That manager that used to be at Dortmund when we played them. 

 

 

The guy at Dortmund was Edin Terzic.  He got Dortmund to the Champions League final but only 5th in the league.  He was part of Slaven Bilic's coaching staff at West Ham and left when they sacked Bilic.  Has an FA coaching badge.

He's available having left Dortmund out of his own choice.  Having has a year off he has said he wants to come back into management.  At 44 I have previously suggested looking at him.  

My main concern would be that noone else has picked him up over the last few months.  Spurs had a look at him before appointing Henry.  But we are unlikely to be able to attract the really top coaches as they will go to the really big clubs.  So he maybe a realistic option and a decent choice.  Dortmund were very impressive against us.

[TheBrownBottle]

I would ask - if the takeover had happened five years earlier and we were searching for a new manager in 2021, how many would have been screaming for Howe, whose last job ended in relegation from the PL?

 

The point being of course that for most of his time here Howe did an excellent job, so why would it be so impossible that a manager currently finishing midtable with a smaller club couldn’t exceed Howe’s achievements?  

 

 

Edited April 12 by TheBrownBottle

[dcmk]

55 minutes ago, andycap said:

Would he leave Madrid? He's the highest paid manager in the world I heard. 

Considering how Simeone builds a team of  very physical, hard working runners, and that's one of the oft-repeated criticisms from the Howe-out camp about us, he can't be considered.

[dcmk]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I would ask - if the takeover had happened five years earlier and we were searching for a new manager in 2021, how many would have been screaming for Howe, whose last job ended in relegation from the PL?

 

The point being of course that for most of his time here Howe did an excellent job, so why would it be so impossible that a manager currently finishing midtable with a smaller club couldn’t exceed Howe’s achievements?  

 

 

 

 

For a start half the fanbase would be unconvinced by the decision, just like when Howe walked in.  

 

And you would have to question why sack a manager who has over performed in his role because of one poor season.  And take a total gamble on someone else.

 

[TRC]

5 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Considering how Simeone builds a team of  very physical, hard working runners, and that's one of the oft-repeated criticisms from the Howe-out camp about us, he can't be considered.

Simeone is the master and Howe learned from him though, it’s a different level.

[TheBrownBottle]

7 minutes ago, dcmk said:

 

For a start half the fanbase would be unconvinced by the decision, just like when Howe walked in.  

 

And you would have to question why sack a manager who has over performed in his role because of one poor season.  And take a total gamble on someone else.

 

I don’t think the ‘over performance’ has occurred since 22/23 (there’s no-one in 24/25 I wouldn’t have thought we should have been finishing below, I know the ‘salaries’ crack but almost everyone finished above Spurs and Man Utd) but I also don’t think underperformance occurred until this season.  Unfortunately I don’t think we’re in a position to countenance long-term underperformance - Howe’s position would be under question at literally any other club at this point under the circumstances.  Most managers just run out of steam and new ideas are needed.  In an ideal world, you could get rid of all the players and allow the manager to start afresh - but we aren’t in that world.  Besides, this is Howe’s squad that’s been assembled - he’s more responsible for it than anyone, and if it isn’t good enough then I’m not convinced he’s earned the right to try to correct it. 

 

I’m also not sure about half the fanbase being unconvinced at the time nor would they be by another manager.  The support tends to do exactly that - managers get a chance to show what they can do.  I’m not referring to social media here - I’m talking about paying punters who go to the matches. 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

Simeone is the master and Howe learned from him though, it’s a different level.

They have under achieved for 4 or so years and he recently signed Conor Gallagher, our fans would be going mad.  

 

He doesn't even speak fluent English.

[Mills and Boon]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I don’t think the ‘over performance’ has occurred since 22/23 (there’s no-one in 24/25 I wouldn’t have thought we should have been finishing below, I know the ‘salaries’ crack but almost everyone finished above Spurs and Man Utd) but I also don’t think underperformance occurred until this season.  Unfortunately I don’t think we’re in a position to countenance long-term underperformance - Howe’s position would be under question at literally any other club at this point under the circumstances.  Most managers just run out of steam and new ideas are needed.  In an ideal world, you could get rid of all the players and allow the manager to start afresh - but we aren’t in that world.  Besides, this is Howe’s squad that’s been assembled - he’s more responsible for it than anyone, and if it isn’t good enough then I’m not convinced he’s earned the right to try to correct it. 

 

I’m also not sure about half the fanbase being unconvinced at the time nor would they be by another manager.  The support tends to do exactly that - managers get a chance to show what they can do.  I’m not referring to social media here - I’m talking about paying punters who go to the matches. 

 

If being the most successful manager we've had since forever isn't enough to convince you, what would?

[Nine]

1 hour ago, andycap said:

Would he leave Madrid? He's the highest paid manager in the world I heard. 

He doesn’t even speak English nor does he want to

[TRC]

4 minutes ago, dcmk said:

They have under achieved for 4 or so years and he recently signed Conor Gallagher, our fans would be going mad.  

 

He doesn't even speak fluent English.

He’s still got a lot about him though. He wouldn’t be my first choice but I’d be happy with him.

 

Same with Iraola a lot of the issues I see with Howe I think Iraola will have, but I think tactically Iraola has more to him than Howe. Not sure if he has that figurehead quality Howe does though.

[dcmk]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

there’s no-one in 24/25 I wouldn’t have thought we should have been finishing below, I know the ‘salaries’ crack but almost everyone finished above Spurs and Man Utd

This is where the entitlement talk.  Just expecting us to get champions League football. As if it's trivial.

 

He also won a trophy that year, with his team that he assembled.  But he didn't overperform that particular season? Ok.

 

He more than deserves another crack, one where he doesn't seem to sell his best player and be without a DoF.

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, TRC said:

He’s still got a lot about him though. He wouldn’t be my first choice but I’d be happy with him.

 

Same with Iraola a lot of the issues I see with Howe I think Iraola will have, but I think tactically Iraola has more to him than Howe. Not sure if he has that figurehead quality Howe does though.

Simeone has just been a good cup manager for the last 4 seasons, seems to be living off that.

 

His team has won 4 away games all season as well.  Wouldn't get away with that here.

 

Howes tactics were good recently against PSG, Barcelona home, Man Utd, Chelsea away.  And that's just recent weeks.

[Magic Rat]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I don’t think the ‘over performance’ has occurred since 22/23 (there’s no-one in 24/25 I wouldn’t have thought we should have been finishing below, I know the ‘salaries’ crack but almost everyone finished above Spurs and Man Utd) but I also don’t think underperformance occurred until this season.  Unfortunately I don’t think we’re in a position to countenance long-term underperformance - Howe’s position would be under question at literally any other club at this point under the circumstances.  Most managers just run out of steam and new ideas are needed.  In an ideal world, you could get rid of all the players and allow the manager to start afresh - but we aren’t in that world.  Besides, this is Howe’s squad that’s been assembled - he’s more responsible for it than anyone, and if it isn’t good enough then I’m not convinced he’s earned the right to try to correct it. 

 

I’m also not sure about half the fanbase being unconvinced at the time nor would they be by another manager.  The support tends to do exactly that - managers get a chance to show what they can do.  I’m not referring to social media here - I’m talking about paying punters who go to the matches. 

"In an ideal world you would get rid of all of the players..."

Whoever is coach, Howe or someone else, we need to get rid of quite a few.  We need a new goalkeeper.  Centre backs Schar and Burn's futures are behind them, Botman has made a lot of mistakes since he was injured.  Tonali appears to be finding his own way out.  Joelinton and Willock are very limited andgetting older.  Elanga, Wissa, Wolte and Murphy aren't offering much and Gordon and Barnes aren't highly rated by all.  It's not just a case of hitting a bit of form.  To over perform consistently needs a big change in personal not just a bit of tinkering around the edges. Howe maybe as good as any of the realistic alternatives in doing that.

[TRC]

Just now, dcmk said:

Simeone has just been a good cup manager for the last 4 seasons, seems to be living off that.

 

His team has won 4 away games all season as well.  Wouldn't get away with that here.

 

Howes tactics were good recently against PSG, Barcelona home, Man Utd, Chelsea away.  And that's just recent weeks.

Howe is a great underdog manager no doubts, but beating the teams that we expect too apart from the absolute fodder has been a problem.
 

I feel like he has lost his way, possibly a hangover from him and the players because of the Isak situation. I was expecting firing on all cylinders today, if Howe could do what he did last year for the rest of the season then I’d be more than happy to keep him. Just feel it’s gone stale and a new voice is needed.

[dcmk]

7 minutes ago, TRC said:

Howe is a great underdog manager no doubts, but beating the teams that we expect too apart from the absolute fodder has been a problem.
 

I feel like he has lost his way, possibly a hangover from him and the players because of the Isak situation. I was expecting firing on all cylinders today, if Howe could do what he did last year for the rest of the season then I’d be more than happy to keep him. Just feel it’s gone stale and a new voice is needed.

I agree it has gone stale.

 

But I think Howe is the most important figure we have, and I'm very confident he knows what he needs to fix our predicament.

 

And if we are organised in the summer window and take it seriously.  We will have a great season, with no Europe, be no excuses.

[Strawberry]

Sack him tomorrow give caretaker manager until end of the season. His line up also sounds like a resigning letter no need to suffer more. He has no chance of winning the next three games tactical superior manger than him.