Colos Short and Curlies Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 11 minutes ago, magorific said: Terzic sounds nailed-on for Athletic Bilbao. Maresca is a firm no. Nagelsmann is a bit Mourinho-like in that he tends to hang players or anyone else out to dry when he comes under criticism. Poch's day has surely gone. My dream appointment would be Sebastian Hoeneß. Isn't Iraola in the running for the Bilbao job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Iraola lost Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Kerkez and then Semenyo in January. Kluivert has been injured most of the season too. Crazily enough they are now unbeaten in their last 13 league games. They're now 3 points off 6th. If they finish strong Iraola will be shortlisted for manager of the year and deservedly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayubeproud Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, 500bhp said: Maybe a controversial take but I dont think we necessarily need to get a 'better' manager than Howe, maybe an equal would do. The players have gone stale and not all have become bad players over a season. I think they need to hear new ideas from a new manager and coaching team. The relationship has hit the 5-year itch and needs separation. Even they must be questioning Howe's tactics, subs, etc. Once you realise that your boss is shite its really difficult to work for them, respect them and give your all. Howe is not shite of course, but he can lose some respect from the players due to his actions or decision making. Also, the new manager needs to be accepting that the DoF will set the recruitment strategy, which the manager will of course have some say in. He needs to be open to going for non-PL as the starting point (where applicable) and be pragmatic and sensible enough about targets. Last summer a DOF would not have allowed £55m on Wissa and Elanga or sanctioned a £50m bid for Strand-Larson. Its probably a stereotype but a younger continental manager might be more accepting of working under a DOF and the conditions that brings. Exactly what I think about. I wouldn't be too surprised if we randomly pick one of Iraola, Glasner or Marco Silva we'll see some improvements in the short term. That doesn't mean they're 'better' than Howe, and I can absolutely foresee us getting into similar trouble like now in the long run if we hire a 'mid-tier' manager. Getting rid of Howe now doesn't mean he'll never come back in the future. Many other famous managers returned to their former clubs and still get success, e.g. Ancelotti (Real Madrid), Zidane (Real Madrid), Heynckes (Bayern), Mourinho (Chelsea), Moyes (Everton/West Ham). Kevin Keegan also had a second spell with us, although it ended prematurely. Relieving EH of his pressures now could actually be good for him, so he can have the opportunity to step back and reflect, further improving his ability. EH and us have the special bonding and affection with each other, so as long as he is not hired by someone else, I would imagine it to be rather easy to bring him back if we want. Edited April 13 by mayubeproud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, KaKa said: Iraola lost Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Kerkez and then Semenyo in January. Kluivert has been injured most of the season too. Crazily enough they are now unbeaten in their last 13 league games. They're now 3 points off 6th. If they finish strong Iraola will be shortlisted for manager of the year and deservedly so. If Howe goes he's the one then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 As a Bilbao fan of many years and my missus being from there, Iraola would be a somewhat special appointment for us. And how the Basques have completely inserted themselves into my life 😅 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 6 minutes ago, HawK said: As a Bilbao fan of many years and my missus being from there, Iraola would be a somewhat special appointment for us. And how the Basques have completely inserted themselves into my life 😅 You can have Arteta instead once he's sacked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 24 minutes ago, KaKa said: Iraola lost Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Kerkez and then Semenyo in January. Kluivert has been injured most of the season too. Crazily enough they are now unbeaten in their last 13 league games. They're now 3 points off 6th. If they finish strong Iraola will be shortlisted for manager of the year and deservedly so. Amazingly they got to the knock out stages of the CL, the QF of the Carab and 5th round of the FA cup as well. Hearing they've played more games than any other top flight team. Go Iraola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 21 minutes ago, Ben said: If Howe goes he's the one then. I apologise for the arrogance but managing Bournemouth doesn't come with any where near the pressures of managing NUFC, especially the current version of NUFC Nothing in Iraola's record confirms he is capable of taking NUFC to greater heights than Champions League football and a League Cup win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Amazingly they got to the knock out stages of the CL, the QF of the Carab and 5th round of the FA cup as well. Hearing they've played more games than any other top flight team. Go Iraola They're not in the CL mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, KaKa said: They're not in the CL mate. I know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Robster said: I apologise for the arrogance but managing Bournemouth doesn't come with any where near the pressures of managing NUFC, especially the current version of NUFC Nothing in Iraola's record confirms he is capable of taking NUFC to greater heights than Champions League football and a League Cup win. The same sort of argument used against Howe when he was hired is now being used to defend him funnily enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said: I know I know you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, KaKa said: The same sort of argument used against Howe when he was hired is now being used to defend him funnily enough. NUFC were in a very different place when Eddie arrived. Seemingly, all the people wanting Howe out are clearly looking for someone who will never fail to guarantee European football as this one disappointing season is clearly unacceptable to the point of giving him the sack. Iraola (as would most other options) would be a huge gamble. If we are in the mood to gamble, I say gamble with what we know for at least one more season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, Robster said: NUFC were in a very different place when Eddie arrived. Seemingly, all the people wanting Howe out are clearly looking for someone who will never fail to guarantee European football as this one disappointing season is clearly unacceptable to the point of giving him the sack. Iraola (as would most other options) would be a huge gamble. If we are in the mood to gamble, I say gamble with what we know for at least one more season. I'm happy with either tbh. My main concern is with the approach to signing players. Provided they sort that this summer I'm fine with whoever. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Howe will be able to hang on with the games coming up and the anger that is going to be coming his way if they go as I fear they will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Fak said: Based on what? Based on him losing Ligue 1 in his first season at PSG, only making the last 16 of the Champions League a year later, only finishing sixth with Chelsea and over-favouring experience over youth, and not particularly impressing in charge of the USA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 9 minutes ago, KaKa said: I'm happy with either tbh. My main concern is with the approach to signing players. Provided they sort that this summer I'm fine with whoever. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Howe will be able to hang on with the games coming up and the anger that is going to be coming his way if they go as I fear they will. It will be toxic in the ground if we lose at the weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Pep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ben said: It will be toxic in the ground if we lose at the weekend Be fine, man. We can lose another 3 games before we risk dropping to 15th! Edited April 13 by TK-421 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Issue with Iraola is it took him some time to stamp his authority on the team and produce some decent football - will he get that at a new club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 6 minutes ago, Ben said: It will be toxic in the ground if we lose at the weekend They are coming off a big win at the Emirates and last lost in the league on the 3rd of January ... Then when you consider how badly we match up against them with how poorly we play when pressed, and with what they did to Newcastle in this same fixture last year, it's not looking good. Especially as Bruno will be out again for this game. Would actually be very impressive if we manage to get a result tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 15 minutes ago, magorific said: Based on him losing Ligue 1 in his first season at PSG, only making the last 16 of the Champions League a year later, only finishing sixth with Chelsea and over-favouring experience over youth, and not particularly impressing in charge of the USA. Nar yee are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 4 minutes ago, KaKa said: They are coming off a big win at the Emirates and last lost in the league on the 3rd of January ... Then when you consider how badly we match up against them with how poorly we play when pressed, and with what they did to Newcastle in this same fixture last year, it's not looking good. Especially as Bruno will be out again for this game. Would actually be very impressive if we manage to get a result tbh. Aye he doesn't need his bogie team this weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 20 minutes ago, KaKa said: They are coming off a big win at the Emirates and last lost in the league on the 3rd of January ... Then when you consider how badly we match up against them with how poorly we play when pressed, and with what they did to Newcastle in this same fixture last year, it's not looking good. Especially as Bruno will be out again for this game. Would actually be very impressive if we manage to get a result tbh. It could get ugly tbh, they will smell blood imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said: People wanting Mourinho or Maresca I'd stick with Howe, we've had 3 great seasons and one awful season, think he deserves another chance. Would be willing to change if I knew PIF meant business and went all out for say Alonso, Klopp or maybe Fabregas with a big managerial contract and promise of a big budget. All pie in the sky though unfortunately 😟 I've always thought bringing Mourinho here would be a disaster following a popular manager like Howe. But just thinking on it today, and he does know how to organise teams, and he would not stand for any players not putting in 100%. He's not really a title winning manager any more, but he has always been good at setting teams up to punch above their weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, TRon said: I've always thought bringing Mourinho here would be a disaster following a popular manager like Howe. But just thinking on it today, and he does know how to organise teams, and he would not stand for any players not putting in 100%. He's not really a title winning manager any more, but he has always been good at setting teams up to punch above their weight. He hasn’t organised teams in years. He’s absolutely finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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