If not Howe, then who?

[dcmk]

5 minutes ago, Strawberry said:

Sack him tomorrow give caretaker manager until end of the season. His line up also sounds like a resigning letter no need to suffer more. He has no chance of winning the next three games tactical superior manger than him.

Beat Bournemouth last time we played.

 

We totally outplayed Arsenal in the same fixture last year.  Would have won with a striker that day.

 

And Brighton due a win against them.

 

[Casey]

Been conflicted since that shitshow when mackems came up but now I'm just indifferent to Howe's future. Even if my confidence in him is practically gone, I know there's talent somewhere there. I can't help thinking that things have ran their course though.

 

I'll always support the toon so if he stays I'll hope for a grand summer and subsequent success, if he's replaced I'm sound with that too. As for what's out there, dream pick is Enrique (pie in the sky). Possibly attainable? Hoeneß, Poch, Iraola, Glasner in that order. Nay Xavi cause I'd be bored off me tits.

[TRC]

29 minutes ago, dcmk said:

I agree it has gone stale.

 

But I think Howe is the most important figure we have, and I'm very confident he knows what he needs to fix our predicament.

 

And if we are organised in the summer window and take it seriously.  We will have a great season, with no Europe, be no excuses.

Fair enough, I think that it’s fine to want to keep Howe and also acceptable to want him out. 
 

 

[Kanj]

Terzic would tactically murder most the managers in this league imho 

[Deuce]

Bielsa

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, dcmk said:

This is where the entitlement talk.  Just expecting us to get champions League football. As if it's trivial.

 

He also won a trophy that year, with his team that he assembled.  But he didn't overperform that particular season? Ok.

 

He more than deserves another crack, one where he doesn't seem to sell his best player and be without a DoF.

I didn’t say I expected it - though I would ask who exactly last season we should’ve been finishing below? - and the ‘entitlement’ talk is just tiresome.  You think he deserves another crack, and I don’t think that’s an unreasonable view - but I’m getting tired of folks playing at being a superfan because they think a very well paid manager who has spent three quarters of a billion quid should not be questioned.  I support Newcastle United because I’m from Newcastle - I don’t support Eddie Howe beyond wanting him to do a good job while he’s here.  
 

I’ve supported this club since the late ‘80s - I doubt half the folks who bang on about ‘entitlement’ would’ve been stood on crumbling terrace at SJP watching us almost tumble into the third tier next to me.  I’ve seen utter dross, and I’ve seen some great sides.  Expectations - like performance - are based upon money spent, not upon where we finished five years ago.

 

I’ve been keeping out of the Howe thread because I’ve little else to add - after the Mackem game I thought his time was up.  This is a different thread asking a different question.  If you still think Howe is the man for the job - great, and I completely understand why.  But calling folks names because they disagree over whether the club has the right manager?  Ho’way man. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

If being the most successful manager we've had since forever isn't enough to convince you, what would?

It convinces me that the man should have a statue at the ground and even a stand named after him.  It doesn’t mean that I think he’s allowed to remain in situ while failing because of sentiment. 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I didn’t say I expected it - though I would ask who exactly last season we should’ve been finishing below? - and the ‘entitlement’ talk is just tiresome.  You think he deserves another crack, and I don’t think that’s an unreasonable view - but I’m getting tired of folks playing at being a superfan because they think a very well paid manager who has spent three quarters of a billion quid should not be questioned.  I support Newcastle United because I’m from Newcastle - I don’t support Eddie Howe beyond wanting him to do a good job while he’s here.  
 

I’ve supported this club since the late ‘80s - I doubt half the folks who bang on about ‘entitlement’ would’ve been stood on crumbling terrace at SJP watching us almost tumble into the third tier next to me.  I’ve seen utter dross, and I’ve seen some great sides.  Expectations - like performance - are based upon money spent, not upon where we finished five years ago.

 

I’ve been keeping out of the Howe thread because I’ve little else to add - after the Mackem game I thought his time was up.  This is a different thread asking a different question.  If you still think Howe is the man for the job - great, and I completely understand why.  But calling folks names because they disagree over whether the club has the right manager?  Ho’way man. 

If you’ve supported the club since the 80’s like you claim, then you should be really concerned as to who we replace the best manager we've had in decades. Because there’s a long fucking history of this club royally fucking up managerial appointments, sending us cascading down the league or even fucking lower.

 

The two most obvious ones being Keegan-Dalglish and Robson-Souness, but there are countless other examples. I keep seeing the we want someone who can develop youth and fast track them into the first team. I mean Ardiles was great at that, didn’t work too well for the club as a whole though.

 

its not happy clapping to think the club is currently where it is largely because of Howe, not inpsite of him. Because I’d argue the Team has grown significantly faster than the rest of the club. And those currently running things do not have a track record of making timely or astute decisions.

[bobbydazzla]

15 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

If you’ve supported the club since the 80’s like you claim, then you should be really concerned as to who we replace the best manager we've had in decades. Because there’s a long fucking history of this club royally fucking up managerial appointments, sending us cascading down the league or even fucking lower.

 

The two most obvious ones being Keegan-Dalglish and Robson-Souness, but there are countless other examples. I keep seeing the we want someone who can develop youth and fast track them into the first team. I mean Ardiles was great at that, didn’t work too well for the club as a whole though.

 

its not happy clapping to think the club is currently where it is largely because of Howe, not inpsite of him. Because I’d argue the Team has grown significantly faster than the rest of the club. And those currently running things do not have a track record of making timely or astute decisions.

 

They might appoint someone and get it absolutely right. Like they did in appointing Howe.  

We might get our own version of Alonso and storm to league victory next season.
 

Contemplate that for a moment instead of insisting that the only outcome will be disastrous.

 

The future’s not ours to see. 
 

 

 

Edited April 13 by bobbydazzla

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

They might appoint someone and get it absolutely right. Like they did in appointing Howe.  

We might get our own version of Alonso and storm to league victory next season.
 

Contemplate that for a moment instead of insisting that the only outcome will be disastrous.

 

The future’s not ours to see. 
 

 

 

 

They might, the only issue I have with that is those that pursued Howe are no longer running the club and the fact that in my near 50 years on this earth Newcastle have not to my memory ever managed to appoint two good managers consecutively.

[AngelofTheFourth]

11 hours ago, Danh1 said:

Feel that Iraola would present the same issues we’ve seen this season in the event we played in Europe. 

 

yeah iraola has no European experience and his team went through an injury crisis this season with no Europe. 

 

 

Edited April 13 by AngelofTheFourth

[r0cafella]

9 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

They might appoint someone and get it absolutely right. Like they did in appointing Howe.  

We might get our own version of Alonso and storm to league victory next season.
 

Contemplate that for a moment instead of insisting that the only outcome will be disastrous.

 

The future’s not ours to see. 
 

 

 

 

If Eddie is shown the door I don't envy the next manager mind. He will be relentlessly compared to the Eddie and only the best version of Eddie at that. 

[bobbydazzla]

3 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

They might, the only issue I have with that is those that pursued Howe are no longer running the club and the fact that in my near 50 years on this earth Newcastle have not to my memory ever managed to appoint two good managers consecutively.

We’ve got completely different people in charge of the club. Looking back over 50 years of management appointments and using that as a predictor of future behaviour is daft.

 

Unless you believe that NUFC is actually run by a metaphysical force that can override any decision made by any owner and ensure that the club never appoints two good managers consecutively. 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

We’ve got completely different people in charge of the club. Looking back over 50 years of management appointments and using that as a predictor of future behaviour is daft.

 

Unless you believe that NUFC is actually run by a metaphysical force that can override any decision made by any owner and ensure that the club never appoints two good managers consecutively. 

So if we’ve 50 years of evidence under multiple owners that it’s a difficult thing to get managerial appointments right and other threads on this very forum are questioning the actual interest levels of our owners, we just presume things will be different this time?

 

Not knowing your history, means you’re ultimately doomed to repeat it and all that.

[TheBrownBottle]

30 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

If you’ve supported the club since the 80’s like you claim, then you should be really concerned as to who we replace the best manager we've had in decades. Because there’s a long fucking history of this club royally fucking up managerial appointments, sending us cascading down the league or even fucking lower.

 

The two most obvious ones being Keegan-Dalglish and Robson-Souness, but there are countless other examples. I keep seeing the we want someone who can develop youth and fast track them into the first team. I mean Ardiles was great at that, didn’t work too well for the club as a whole though.

 

its not happy clapping to think the club is currently where it is largely because of Howe, not inpsite of him. Because I’d argue the Team has grown significantly faster than the rest of the club. And those currently running things do not have a track record of making timely or astute decisions.

‘Like I claim’?  Fucking hell   Is evidence required?

 

Ardiles’ ‘Ossie Babes’ were the consequence of funding being squeezed out of the club during some of the worst boardroom politicking we’re likely to see (and a batch of talented young uns coming through).  No-one is advocating a return to that.  I don’t remember Souness being anyone’s choice - but Dalglish definitely was an appointment that caused excitement.  I’m not convinced that an entirely different board cocking up succession decades ago means we shouldn’t change the manager now.
 

I never said it was ‘happy clapping’, either.  But it’s not just the current board whose decision-making has been less than astute for some time.  

[James]

Ultimately happy if Howe is manager next season - it would need to be someone next level to replace him and I see Poch as one of the few attainable albeit have to wait until the World Cup is done.

 

Iraola suggestions are the ultimate disrespect to Howe - anyone who suggests him is not a true fan of our club.

[stozo]

16 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

So if we’ve 50 years of evidence under multiple owners that it’s a difficult thing to get managerial appointments right and other threads on this very forum are questioning the actual interest levels of our owners, we just presume things will be different this time?

 

Not knowing your history, means you’re ultimately doomed to repeat it and all that.

You are completely right, technically. But let's review PIF's appointments. In five years, we've had three Directors of Football and three CEOs (if you count Staveley as effectively operating as the CEO). If you look at other roles - U21 Manager/Lead Coach, for example - we've been through six managers in five years. If you look at the PIF appointments as a whole, Howe is about the only one one where you'd say 'Yeah, they've got that bang on'. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence. You also have the problem that the 'football man' leading the appointment will likely be Wilson, who is widely reported to have got the job because of his relationship with Howe and beyond that has a pretty chequered record. 

[Pilko]

18 minutes ago, James said:

Ultimately happy if Howe is manager next season - it would need to be someone next level to replace him and I see Poch as one of the few attainable albeit have to wait until the World Cup is done.

 

Iraola suggestions are the ultimate disrespect to Howe - anyone who suggests him is not a true fan of our club.

 

 howeh man. I'm not even a particularly fan of Iraola but that's just a totally trash, mental comment.

[bobbydazzla]

33 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

So if we’ve 50 years of evidence under multiple owners that it’s a difficult thing to get managerial appointments right and other threads on this very forum are questioning the actual interest levels of our owners, we just presume things will be different this time?

 

Not knowing your history, means you’re ultimately doomed to repeat it and all that.

Don’t presume anything would be my strong advice. 

 

You shouldn’t presume that 50 years of managerial history will dictate the future of managerial history.

 

Same as someone else shouldn’t presume that appointing a new manager will definitely lead to success.
 

Just ‘cause you feel it, doesn’t mean it’s there. 

 

 

Edited April 13 by bobbydazzla

[La Parka]

[NG32]

A touch of glass that lad ..

[RS]

Our squad is shit. Couldn’t expect anyone to perform miracles with this bunch of misfits that’s been randomly cobbled together. Add to that the players supposedly leaving means we need a pretty robust recruitment plan.  And since Stavely left we are probably the worst in the premier league at spotting and signing talent (and the best at turning talent into duds)

 

 

Edited April 13 by RS

[Menace]

Terzic is a good shout. Inzaghi for me - he really did achieve miracles with a pittance.

[r0cafella]

Id be tempted by Farioli at Porto. He's meant to be a talented upcoming manager. 

[Elma]

8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I would ask - if the takeover had happened five years earlier and we were searching for a new manager in 2021, how many would have been screaming for Howe, whose last job ended in relegation from the PL?

 

The point being of course that for most of his time here Howe did an excellent job, so why would it be so impossible that a manager currently finishing midtable with a smaller club couldn’t exceed Howe’s achievements?  

 

 

 

 

I did want Howe before the takeover, I wanted him after the takeover happened and would still give him time. However, if we were to change then for the same reason I'd be very happy with Iraola. I guess watching his side, down to the bare bones, dismantle us at St James' last year has stuck with me.

 

I'm curious how he'd get on with a bigger budget.