If not Howe, then who?

[Holloway]

If you want to go random Bielsa or Fabregas

[andycap]

Maresca

Terzic
Are available and unattached. 

Pochettino and nagelsmann will be unattached after the worldcup. 

 

[SUPERTOON]

The shouts for Maresca and Poch are so strange imo.

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, timnufc22 said:

Iraola agreed to signing 18yr old Kroupie last summer who has started a lot of their games, scoring 10 premier league goals this season and 19yr old Rayan in January who has stated 7 games, scoring 2 goals.
 

That Iraola is happy and willing to start young players is completely in line with an element of the transfer strategy we need to adopt and a massive tick.

 

To me it is clear Howe has a cautious nature when it comes to developing youth. Apparently we were looking at Rayan in January, Howe has the final say so I can only assume he didn’t fancy taking a ‘risk’ on a 19yr old for the first team. Just taking it at face value, Bournemouth & Iraola’s talent ID was clearly better in that situation. 

 

While the likes of Brighton and Bournemouth sign these guys for the first team. Newcastle are better positioned to be bringing them in as squad players that should be rotated in and out regularly when first teamers need resting and can then eventually push for a first team place. And even then they've still been so risk averse to these moves, even when they don't cost much fee wise or wages wise.

[Kilcline]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

The shouts for Maresca and Poch are so strange imo.

Pochettino I kind of get.

 

Maresca though  This is a guy who earlier this season when Levi Colwill got his bad injury went into a press conference and said Chelsea should sign him another centre back because none of the other 7 or 8 senior centre backs at the club can do the job he wants Colwill to do. Erm, how about coaching them then? And while not wholly relevant to whether we should appoint him, I don't imagine our home support would think much of us spending probably a total of 10-15 minutes of each game with the keeper or CB's standing with their foot on the ball waiting for someone to press them or passing it between them

[Holmesy]

3 minutes ago, Kilcline said:

Pochettino I kind of get.

 

Maresca though  This is a guy who earlier this season when Levi Colwill got his bad injury went into a press conference and said Chelsea should sign him another centre back because none of the other 7 or 8 senior centre backs at the club can do the job he wants Colwill to do. Erm, how about coaching them then? And while not wholly relevant to whether we should appoint him, I don't imagine our home support would think much of us spending probably a total of 10-15 minutes of each game with the keeper or CB's standing with their foot on the ball waiting for someone to press them or passing it between them

I'd be quite happy to see that in the last 20 minutes of games right now tbh. Would be a refreshing change.

[KaKa]

Would actually pay good money to see our lot try to play Maresca's horseshoe side to side football it would be the best comedy show going.

 

Maresca's dull possession obsessed football managed to turn Palmer into a complete dud and so I can't wait to see what it would do to our already ordinary attack.

[500bhp]

Maybe a controversial take but I dont think we necessarily need to get a 'better' manager than Howe, maybe an equal would do. The players have gone stale and not all have become bad players over a season. I think they need to hear new ideas from a new manager and coaching team. The relationship has hit the 5-year itch and needs separation. Even they must be questioning Howe's tactics, subs, etc. Once you realise that your boss is shite its really difficult to work for them, respect them and give your all. Howe is not shite of course, but he can lose some respect from the players due to his actions or decision making. 

 

Also, the new manager needs to be accepting that the DoF will set the recruitment strategy, which the manager will of course have some say in. He needs to be open to going for non-PL as the starting point (where applicable) and be pragmatic and sensible enough about targets. Last summer a DOF would not have allowed £55m on Wissa and Elanga or sanctioned a £50m bid for Strand-Larson. Its probably a stereotype but a younger continental manager might be more accepting of working under a DOF and the conditions that brings. 

[Pilko]

I'm right on the fence about Howe staying or going. The most important factor for me will be whether he can move away from his complete obsession with tall lads, athletes and sprinters and build a more cohesive footballing style when given the right time to do so - that being a summer window with the correct structure in place and signs that he's trying to do that as we move into next season. Obviously we need some of the athletic types in the side but we need a balance of warriors and artists and I'm not convinced he wants or likes artists.

 

If he's going to double down on the Track & Field XI and spend more money on runners and battlers who can't kick a ball straight I'd rather he went in the summer, was remembered as a modern day hero and we move onto a manager who can help us actually control games and create chances from a source that isn't just pressing and hoping for a mistake, which is what we've seen for a while now.

[Novocastrian]

Some actual footballers would be nice, watching us pass the ball around, even under no pressure, reminds me of that Steve Howey story about going 1-0 down with no opposition.

[The Prophet]

To be fair, I'd say Ramsdale, Trippier, Thiaw, Botman, Hall, Bruno, Miley, Ramsey and Woltamade are all more technical on the technique v physicality scale. We have some very good footballers. 

[Mills and Boon]

8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It convinces me that the man should have a statue at the ground and even a stand named after him.  It doesn’t mean that I think he’s allowed to remain in situ while failing because of sentiment. 

 

It's not sentiment which means he deserves a chance to put it right, it's his proven track record of overachieving here. I don't think the likes of Iraola are likely to replicate that 

[TBG]

Southgate?

[Holmesy]

12 minutes ago, TBG said:

Southgate?

Get in the bin - you for suggesting it, him for being a world-class bottlejob.

[Abacus]

TBG strikes again 

[Gola]

A 70 year-old, non-English speaking Bielsa? LOL

 

I'm a big fan obvs but no chance that gonna happen.

 

For what it's worth (ball all) let Eddie have another year. I get those that want him out, but he's done brilliant for us. Won a cup, always acts with integrity. Top role model. For me, football is about more than results. It's about getting behind the people you love. And he's done it before, it means he can do it again. If we're still in the same situation next year, fair enough. But he's earned another year imo.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Fabregas would be a great project and I think a realistic target

[magorific]

20 minutes ago, TBG said:

Southgate?

Enough with the trolling

[magorific]

1 hour ago, andycap said:

Maresca

Terzic
Are available and unattached. 

Pochettino and nagelsmann will be unattached after the worldcup. 

 

Terzic sounds nailed-on for Athletic Bilbao.

 

Maresca is a firm no. Nagelsmann is a bit Mourinho-like in that he tends to hang players or anyone else out to dry when he comes under criticism. Poch's day has surely gone.

 

My dream appointment would be Sebastian Hoeneß.

 

[Pokerprince2004]

People wanting Mourinho or Maresca 

 

I'd stick with Howe, we've had 3 great seasons and one awful season, think he deserves another chance. Would be willing to change if I knew PIF meant business and went all out for say Alonso, Klopp or maybe Fabregas with a big managerial contract and promise of a big budget. All pie in the sky though unfortunately 😟

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, magorific said:

Poch's day has surely gone.

 

Based on what?

[Sima]

I want Fabregas but he might have an eye on the Arsenal job if Arteta gets sacked for winning nowt.

 

It will be be Mourinho either way imo.

[KingArthur]

4 hours ago, Geogaddi said:

 

Our ceiling with PSR is basically challenging for the top 4/5 and maybe winning the odd trophy which is what Howe has done. No manager is going to be able to come in and improve on that with the PSR rules as they are. If you want someone to get us " higher than Howe" you need elite players and they aren't signing for us as we aren't able to pay the wages they can get elsewhere. If people want to change manager then fair enough but whoever comes in wont be able to do any better than Howe has done before this season.

 

 

 

In a way I agree, but Howe insists on athletic runners and wormanlike teams. With this king of football we end up fighting places 4-8, and signing overpriced mediocre players. 

We need to find value elsewhere and a manager that can adopt and change his plans during a game if things doesn't work out. Howe has too often decided "more" when he should have decided "something else this doesn't work".

And we are not even close to challenging top4/5 now, and most likely will not be next season either with Howe. We have a 60+ million striker he doesn't know how to use and aging squad.

[Ben]

2 minutes ago, Pokerprince2004 said:

People wanting Mourinho or Maresca 

 

I'd stick with Howe, we've had 3 great seasons and one awful season, think he deserves another chance. Would be willing to change if I knew PIF meant business and went all out for say Alonso, Klopp or maybe Fabregas with a big managerial contract and promise of a big budget. All pie in the sky though unfortunately 😟

 

Howe is my first choice, however it depends on the project and how much say he has on incoming and outgoing transfers. Its no good backing him and then replacing him with a sub-standard replacement after 6 or 7 games, but then again will Howe stay if he doesn't have 100% control ?

 

For what its worth I think conversations are happening behind the scenes and they are not convinced Howe will play ball with the rebuild so haven't backed him 100% 

[KingArthur]

2 hours ago, timnufc22 said:

Iraola agreed to signing 18yr old Kroupie last summer who has started a lot of their games, scoring 10 premier league goals this season and 19yr old Rayan in January who has stated 7 games, scoring 2 goals.
 

That Iraola is happy and willing to start young players is completely in line with an element of the transfer strategy we need to adopt and a massive tick.

 

To me it is clear Howe has a cautious nature when it comes to developing youth. Apparently we were looking at Rayan in January, Howe has the final say so I can only assume he didn’t fancy taking a ‘risk’ on a 19yr old for the first team. Just taking it at face value, Bournemouth & Iraola’s talent ID was clearly better in that situation. 

Playing youth is clearly a big plus for Iraola. I just don't think he is much better coach than Howe, if better at all.