Matt Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The only obvious site is the arena and surrounding area, much of which seems to be sitting vacant waiting for the day a developer swings by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The only obvious site is the arena and surrounding area, much of which seems to be sitting vacant waiting for the day a developer swings by. Yeap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 If you HAD to move the stadium - is Leazes Park still the best place? ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 No doubt these buyers know exactly that part of what makes the club and the city unique is having the stadium dead central in the city. That surely was one of the attractive points that would have enticed them. If we already had a stadium outside the city, there is no way the club would maintain its history, uniqueness and a level of attractiveness to potential buyers. I trust these people know what they want to do with the stadium and the city. They'll probably hire the best engineers and architects to increase the stadium capacity and modernise it yet keep it in the same place. They've probably have earmarked what and how they'll go about the stadiums redevelopment to compete with the rest. Look how Spurs did theirs. Its not impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 8000 on the Gallowgate is probably the only real option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Wonder what could be achieved if they knocked down the stadium and started again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Wonder what could be achieved if they knocked down the stadium and started again. Not really possible as there's nowhere else to play while work is being done (unlike with Spurs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The only obvious site is the arena and surrounding area, much of which seems to be sitting vacant waiting for the day a developer swings by. Land it's on is twice the size of SJP. The area needs investment and the Arena is due to come down soon anyway. It's the perfect place to build a new stadium if the new owners are inclined to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 If you HAD to move the stadium - is Leazes Park still the best place? I posted earlier in this thread. The place the ground was moving to in 1997 was "Castle Leazes", an area of the Town Moor, not Leazes Park. https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=36257.msg7165509#msg7165509 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 If you HAD to move the stadium - is Leazes Park still the best place? I posted earlier in this thread. The place the ground was moving to in 1997 was "Castle Leazes", an area of the Town Moor, not Leazes Park. https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=36257.msg7165509#msg7165509 The development would have encroached slightly into (but also also significantly expanded) the pre-existing Leazes Park. On seeing the plans again, it's not actually bad at all. As far as I'm concerned, the Town Moor is by and large a massive waste of cow shit covered space. But to build on it you need the freemen's blessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 If you HAD to move the stadium - is Leazes Park still the best place? I posted earlier in this thread. The place the ground was moving to in 1997 was "Castle Leazes", an area of the Town Moor, not Leazes Park. https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=36257.msg7165509#msg7165509 Aye, sorry - that is what I meant. So that site and the vacant arena site? Is there a link anyone can show me? The Castle Leazes site looks really close to SJP tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 No doubt these buyers know exactly that part of what makes the club and the city unique is having the stadium dead central in the city. That surely was one of the attractive points that would have enticed them. If we already had a stadium outside the city, there is no way the club would maintain its history, uniqueness and a level of attractiveness to potential buyers. I trust these people know what they want to do with the stadium and the city. They'll probably hire the best engineers and architects to increase the stadium capacity and modernise it yet keep it in the same place. They've probably have earmarked what and how they'll go about the stadiums redevelopment to compete with the rest. Look how Spurs did theirs. Its not impossible. Liverpool did the same too - they just built up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The only obvious site is the arena and surrounding area, much of which seems to be sitting vacant waiting for the day a developer swings by. Land it's on is twice the size of SJP. The area needs investment and the Arena is due to come down soon anyway. It's the perfect place to build a new stadium if the new owners are inclined to do so. Just did a very rough size comparison and if you knocked down the buildings that face Scotswood Road and go more or less to the river Wembley fits in the space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Stadium without SD signs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy2Sheds Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 A refusal would have definitely been allowed on appeal and a good chance of an award of costs against NCC. completely agree The stadium itself has no protected status. The pitch is locally listed but that's it. It is very difficult to argue a decision based on protecting views of the stadium. You couldn't also refuse an application on a site that currently offers very little to the city, on the chance that hypothetically a future proposal may come forward that is better or preferable. That's simpy not how it works. It's frustrating, because I personally think the Strawberry Place development not befitting of the location nor setting of SJP - but little the LPA could do in this instance. And I don't blame councillors for following LPA recommendations - so often they get criticised for doing the opposite. On a personal level, I'm strongly against a move away from the current location. SJP is in my opinion the best stadium I've been to because of it's central location, and its setting alongside Leazes Terrace and Leazes Park. These are layers of history that reflect the city's identity, and is almost completely unique in British football. Even if we can't wrangle back Strawberry Place for a Gallowgate expansion I'd still be against moving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Where are we at with safe standing? That can increase capacity in standing areas by 50% can’t it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie john Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Stadium without SD signs This is the definition of heaven.........Give me hope, give me dreams back again..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 That NEWCASTLE UNITED across the front of the stand... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 A refusal would have definitely been allowed on appeal and a good chance of an award of costs against NCC. The stadium itself has no protected status. The pitch is locally listed but that's it. It is very difficult to argue a decision based on protecting views of the stadium. You couldn't also refuse an application on a site that currently offers very little to the city, on the chance that hypothetically a future proposal may come forward that is better or preferable. That's simpy not how it works. It's frustrating, because I personally think the Strawberry Place development not befitting of the location nor setting of SJP - but little the LPA could do in this instance. And I don't blame councillors for following LPA recommendations - so often they get criticised for doing the opposite. On a personal level, I'm strongly against a move away from the current location. SJP is in my opinion the best stadium I've been to because of it's central location, and its setting alongside Leazes Terrace and Leazes Park. These are layers of history that reflect the city's identity, and is almost completely unique in British football. Even if we can't wrangle back Strawberry Place for a Gallowgate expansion I'd still be against moving. Bang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 No doubt these buyers know exactly that part of what makes the club and the city unique is having the stadium dead central in the city. That surely was one of the attractive points that would have enticed them. If we already had a stadium outside the city, there is no way the club would maintain its history, uniqueness and a level of attractiveness to potential buyers. I trust these people know what they want to do with the stadium and the city. They'll probably hire the best engineers and architects to increase the stadium capacity and modernise it yet keep it in the same place. They've probably have earmarked what and how they'll go about the stadiums redevelopment to compete with the rest. Look how Spurs did theirs. Its not impossible. Liverpool did the same too - they just built up! You can’t do that at SJP because it would block out the light to Leazers Terrace. The only place you can do that is at the Gallowgate end, and you need that land at SJP Metro station to do it. You could dig down I guess, but that’s assuming it’s possible on the site. It would require pretty much a full demolition of SJP, there would also be a season or 2 without any games being able to be played there. Unfortunately for us, there is no Wembley stadium on our door step for us to move into temporarily. The nearest ground that could accommodate the majority of our fans is the stadium of shite. That just isn’t going to fly with anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Murrayfield. Although whether a) The Premier League would allow games to be played in a different country Or b) It’s close enough to be logistically feasible Would remain to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 b) It's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam1 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 No doubt these buyers know exactly that part of what makes the club and the city unique is having the stadium dead central in the city. That surely was one of the attractive points that would have enticed them. If we already had a stadium outside the city, there is no way the club would maintain its history, uniqueness and a level of attractiveness to potential buyers. I trust these people know what they want to do with the stadium and the city. They'll probably hire the best engineers and architects to increase the stadium capacity and modernise it yet keep it in the same place. They've probably have earmarked what and how they'll go about the stadiums redevelopment to compete with the rest. Look how Spurs did theirs. Its not impossible. Liverpool did the same too - they just built up! You can’t do that at SJP because it would block out the light to Leazers Terrace. The only place you can do that is at the Gallowgate end, and you need that land at SJP Metro station to do it. You could dig down I guess, but that’s assuming it’s possible on the site. It would require pretty much a full demolition of SJP, there would also be a season or 2 without any games being able to be played there. Unfortunately for us, there is no Wembley stadium on our door step for us to move into temporarily. The nearest ground that could accommodate the majority of our fans is the stadium of s****. That just isn’t going to fly with anyone. Realistically, the SoL might be up for sale soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 A great image in here of how extending the Gallowgate would look. spoiler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Judging by that Celtic Park photo I wonder how we could extend around the corners via the Leazes and Gallogate (if we ever develop the Gallogate) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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