Mikky Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 17 minutes ago, GWN said: this is the stupidest comment ever on here, congratulations People forget how much money PIF put in yearly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Just now, Mikky said: People forget how much money PIF put in yearly Yeah, but there's also some really, really stupid comments. It's a packed field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) 13 hours ago, Hovagod said: The new ground’s not happening is it? Wish PIF would just fuck off For the love of g__ can we please add a downvote or "unlike" button Edited February 6 by arnonel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Appreciate it’s one post (comments are the same mind) but seen this plenty from Everton fans on social media (again, appreciate that it is only social media). I know SJP isn’t perfect and needs a lot of TLC, but I really don’t want to leave it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Some people look all of that straight in the eye and say that that's what they want. I'll never understand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Danh1 said: Appreciate it’s one post (comments are the same mind) but seen this plenty from Everton fans on social media (again, appreciate that it is only social media). I know SJP isn’t perfect and needs a lot of TLC, but I really don’t want to leave it. Easy to say when you have lost to Bournemouth at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Football is the afterthought for many people at SJP to be honest, I feel like it's more a problem with the fans than the stadium. Of course Everton fans have experienced a move and so will have more knowledge than me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Some people look all of that straight in the eye and say that that's what they want. I'll never understand it. I think most people just want more seats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Football is the afterthought for many people at SJP to be honest, I feel like it's more a problem with the fans than the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Moving stadium can be a gamble, some fanbases are miserable in their new place and others have worked out well. If we have serious ambitions to compete at the top then staying at SJP will hinder that. Some might consider their matchday experience as more important though and don’t want to risk that changing. It just depends on what your priorities are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, Kimbo said: Moving stadium can be a gamble, some fanbases are miserable in their new place and others have worked out well. If we have serious ambitions to compete at the top then staying at SJP will hinder that. Some might consider their matchday experience as more important though and don’t want to risk that changing. It just depends on what your priorities are. What club has hugely benefited from a new stadium? West Ham haven’t, Spurs haven’t, Arsenal only just looking as good as they were pre Emirates, Everton still early days. Man City isn’t really a valid example imo. Leaves Brentford and Brighton but they are mid table clubs at best now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 21 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Some people look all of that straight in the eye and say that that's what they want. I'll never understand it. We probably do need a new stadium to compete in a world of FFP and our slight geographical disadvantage. And it could undoubtedly be a great catalyst for the local economy/urban regeneration depending on the nature of the proposals. But I'm also pretty much convinced barring some miracle it'll be a less hostile and more sanitised matchday atmosphere (basically accelerating or multiplying all the current issues with that at SJP). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, Danh1 said: What club has hugely benefited from a new stadium? West Ham haven’t, Spurs haven’t, Arsenal only just looking as good as they were pre Emirates, Everton still early days. Man City isn’t really a valid example imo. Leaves Brentford and Brighton but they are mid table clubs at best now. Arsenal and Spurs wouldn’t even have been competitive if they stayed where they were. Spurs’ failure has nothing to do with the stadium and everything to do with mismanagement. Their stadium brings in more money than any other ground in the country, and a wayward Solanke effort could practically land in WHL. Brighton and Brentford had almost zero years in the top flight in their history - their new stadiums have supported keeping them there. Goodison was a grand old ground, proper Archibald Leitch stadium with frankly far more history than SJP attached to it, with stand which had actually seen that history - but it was falling to pieces and a move was obviously necessary. West Ham’s move was obviously insane, it’s not a football ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Arsenal and Spurs wouldn’t even have been competitive if they stayed where they were. Spurs’ failure has nothing to do with the stadium and everything to do with mismanagement. Their stadium brings in more money than any other ground in the country, and a wayward Solanke effort could practically land in WHL. Brighton and Brentford had almost zero years in the top flight in their history - their new stadiums have supported keeping them there. Goodison was a grand old ground, proper Archibald Leitch stadium with frankly far more history than SJP attached to it, with stand which had actually seen that history - but it was falling to pieces and a move was obviously necessary. West Ham’s move was obviously insane, it’s not a football ground. West ham was a hard nosed business decision nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 19 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think most people just want more seats. Yeah that'll be the main driver for the people who want to go to support Newcastle, but I don't think they'll really be the target audience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: West ham was a hard nosed business decision nothing more. See also: Brady’s ties to the Tory govt. Amazing what cronyism can get you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Yeah that'll be the main driver for the people who want to go to support Newcastle, but I don't think they'll really be the target audience. I find myself flip flopping on this topic constantly in my head. For purely selfish reasons you've outlined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, Danh1 said: What club has hugely benefited from a new stadium? West Ham haven’t, Spurs haven’t, Arsenal only just looking as good as they were pre Emirates, Everton still early days. Man City isn’t really a valid example imo. Leaves Brentford and Brighton but they are mid table clubs at best now. I think there's an argument that West Ham wouldn't have established themselves as a comfortable PL team the way they have recently without the new stadium while Spurs might have been even more at risk of a drop off (not forgetting where they were as a club pre-Levy) if they weren't insulated by the bulletproof financial security their stadium now gives them. Equally there is however something clearly lost with these moves. Playing away at both grounds is nowhere near as intimidating as it was at the old places. There is something intangible that is lost when you strip away the old school atmosphere and hostility and it does leave both clubs feeling from the outside as corporate, meek and meandering. Particularly when stuck in a bad rut on the pitch like they are now. Arsenal was a different case because I think building the stadium did genuinely put them on a significantly weaker financial footing right at the point where two other PL clubs got a huge injection of cash they didn't have to pay back. How different the PL (and European football) would have been if not for Abramovich and Abu Dhabi you couldn't possibly say. Emitates has now given Arsenal a very solid financial base they wouldn't have had still at Highbury, it's just taken a long time to get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 It also serves a real, quantifiable statement of intent from PIF. Appreciate this shouldn't be the driving factor in the decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 13 minutes ago, Danh1 said: What club has hugely benefited from a new stadium? West Ham haven’t, Spurs haven’t, Arsenal only just looking as good as they were pre Emirates, Everton still early days. Man City isn’t really a valid example imo. Leaves Brentford and Brighton but they are mid table clubs at best now. Arsenal, Spurs, and West Ham have all put themselves in a far better position to be successful than if they had stayed at their old stadiums. Spurs and West Ham problem is they make shit football decisions, their new stadiums aren’t holding them back from being successful. I agree that West Ham’s stadium is a soulless bowl though, it’s what you need to avoid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, Pixelphish said: It also serves a real, quantifiable statement of intent from PIF. Appreciate this shouldn't be the driving factor in the decision. If they’re even vaguely serious about the sales pitch they keep pushing, then this is the starter for ten. Zero chance of getting anywhere near those stated ambitions without it. You can’t keep ramping ticket prices up in the NE of England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Some Everton fans are saying they don’t like their new stadium cogito ergo sum the same will happen to us Stop worrying about everyone else and focus on NUFC. A new stadium might be immense, it might be the pits. But to say you can see into the future and it’ll be either of those things, before a plan has even been communicated to the general public, is the opinion of a lunatic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Happy to be corrected on this, but isn't matchday revenue a relatively small percentage of overall turnover and dwarfed by the likes of TV rights, sponsorships, etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Happy to be corrected on this, but isn't matchday revenue a relatively small percentage of overall turnover and dwarfed by the likes of TV rights, sponsorships, etc? It varies significantly - saw the below kicking about last month. There's also been quite a significant move towards maximising non-matchday use aswell with new stadia and facilities, I read something recently about how Fulham's new roof terrace thing was almost built with non-football use in mind first to bring the money in year-round, and they also then have the space to sell tickets to the football for. All linked to a change in corporate/hospitality buying habits and trends supposedly, so clubs are less building "facilities for corporate guests at the football" but "event spaces that we can also sell to corporate guests who want to go to the football." All very wanky but where the coin is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Happy to be corrected on this, but isn't matchday revenue a relatively small percentage of overall turnover and dwarfed by the likes of TV rights, sponsorships, etc? TV Rights - Tottenham are expected to receive £163m in the 25/26 season from the TV rights deal. (But that was based on including the merit payments of finishing 5th so the number will be £20-30ish million lower than forecast) Stadium - The move from White Hart Lane to the world-class Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in 2019 was transformational to the club’s revenue streams once the impact of the pandemic and empty stadiums was navigated. Matchday revenues grew from £45m for the last season at White Hart Lane in 2016/17, to £106m for the most recent set of accounts for 2023/24. For the previous campaign, with additional home games, a high watermark of £118m was seen. Commercial revenue also grew significantly, rising from £76m in 2017 to £255m for 2024, an increase of 236 per cent over the seven years. Sponsorship - AIA pay Tottenham £40m per season Edited February 12 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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