St James' Park

[Wolfcastle]

Really think its disingenuous to use 'improved atmosphere' to further a cause on this. There's just no way to know that anyway and the only evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary. There's no examples since the mid90s cultural change of increased capacity much less new bigger stadium improving atmosphere in this country. We experienced it with the Gallowgate then the Milburn/Leazes extensions.

A new stadium/extension is not going to turn around nearly 30years of culture change in football fans.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Wolfcastle

[Whitley mag]

Just now, Wolfcastle said:

Really think its disingenuous to use 'improved atmosphere' to further a cause on this. For starters there's no way to know that and the only evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary. There's not a single example of increased capacity much less new bigger stadium improving atmosphere in this country and the only one I can think of in Europe is Dortmund. We've experienced it with the Gallowgate then the Milburn/Leazes.

A new stadium/extension is not going to turn around nearly 30years of culture change in football fans.

The noise might carry better in new stadium though, there’s undoubtedly an issue when the Strawberry Corner can barely be heard from Leazes End.

 

The stands are all lop sided and the noise either gets lost from top tier, or doesn’t carry around.

 

Will it be a magic bullet for the atmosphere no, but it certainly can’t make it any worse.

 

[JT24]

Quote

Newcastle United chairman Yasir Al-Rumayyan was presented with both plans for a new stadium as well as a redeveloped St James’ Park in a meeting with senior club figures at a Northumberland hotel on Monday.

 

As well as discussing various aspects of the club’s development and its financial position ahead of the summer transfer window, as it navigates its way through Premier League profitability and sustainability rules (PSR), the construction of a new stadium was high on the agenda.

 

As revealed by Telegraph Sport earlier this month, it is understood the board have explained to Al-Rumayyan that their preferred option would be to move to a purpose-built new stadium on land adjacent to St James’ Park.

 

The new stadium, which is expected to have a capacity of just under 70,000, would be a multi-sport venue and would be built on some of the land already occupied by St James’ Park using an overlapping footprint.

 

At a cost of around £1.5 billion, the impressive stadium, which will be taller than their current home, would be the second-largest club ground in the country with state-of-the-art facilities that would enable it to stage other large events.

 

However, it is not thought a final decision is imminent and the leading representative of Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF) is expected to take some time to consider the cost implications and how it will be funded.

 

There are still some behind the scenes who argue it would be better to stay at St James’ Park because of the emotional pull of staying at their historical home as well as the far cheaper cost of expansion compared to a completely new build.

 

Sources are confident that the new stadium proposal will eventually get the green light from PIF, but they are also happy with the second option should the Saudis decide to remain at St James’ Park.

 

If Newcastle do decide to modernise and expand St James’ Park the capacity will also be well in excess of 60,000 and could be completed within five years at a cost of £800 million. The new stadium is likely to take around seven years to construct.

 

The feeling is that PIF will eventually conclude that it is better to go for a completely new stadium which will be part of a wider regeneration of the surrounding area, but such a big project will need to go through several stages in Saudi Arabia before it is agreed..

 

Telegraph Sport can also now also reveal that if the new stadium is given planning permission – which could be open to legal challenge and face a delayed start date as a result – a new green space will be built where St James’ Park is.

That would mean the listed buildings situated behind the East Stand – which is one of the main obstacles to rebuilding St James’ Park – would overlook the new park.

 

The building of a modern green area is likely to make the loss of some of Leazes Park more palpable to Newcastle City Council but it could be some time until a final decision is made and planning permission sought.

 

[Danh1]

Doesn’t sound like we’ll hear anything any time soon then.

 

 

[JT24]

Aye, remind me in a year when we’re still waiting to hear. 

[TBG]

Can't wait for the announcement out of the blue confirming new stadium and work to begin immediately.

 

Can't wait to then spend the next 7 years complaining over every minor detail. 

[et tu brute]

5 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Doesn’t sound like we’ll hear anything any time soon then.

 

 

On both of his tweets, the bald fucker has used the words unlikely and could. Covering his basis as usual, as there is no way he will be getting direct info from today's meeting 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by et tu brute

[Izakaya]

Guess whoever was saying Saudi business culture moves at a sub-glacial pace was right. 

 

7 years, fuck me. 

[Turnbull2000]

The Saudi state will probably run out of oil before it gets started

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Turnbull2000

[Fenham Mag]

11 minutes ago, TBG said:

Can't wait for the announcement out of the blue confirming new stadium and work to begin immediately.

 

Can't wait to then spend the next 7 years complaining over every minor detail. 

Adam Pearson’s new content sorted, shouting at construction workers for not working harder. 

[manorpark]

3 hours ago, The Butcher said:

Just 70 years since we last won a domestic trophy.

 

SJP is cursed land and we've seen close to a lifetime of failure there.

 

I love the place, but I'm firmly in the move camp.

 

We need a fresh start.

 

1969 was a F A B U L O U S year . . .

[NE27]

Just now, manorpark said:

 

1969 was a F A B U L O U S year . . .

 

 

"Hail to the 1969 European fairs cup winners, baby"

 

Sorry, just made me chuckle that little tagline.

[Stifler]

I think fans are just going to start getting pissed off if we keep hearing whispers but never getting details.

 

I was saying in a group chat yesterday that we need to hear more details soon. We need to have confirmation of where the new stadium will be, capacity numbers, other details, and tenders etc. If we keep just getting snippets, then all we are doing is continuing to argue over hypotheticals, which won’t help the fanbase move forward on the issue. Those who want to stay will continue to want to stay, those who want to move will continue to want to move, and we’ll all be arguing over details that we don’t know.

 

We have had 2 years of a stadium move being discussed, we have had the club saying the smallest things to supporters whilst saying that more detail will come very soon.

 

Make a fucking decision, tell the fans, move the fuck on.

 

[SteV]

Just now, Stifler said:

I think fans are just going to start getting pissed off if we keep hearing whispers but never getting details.

 

I was saying in a group chat yesterday that we need to hear more details soon. We need to have confirmation of where the new stadium will be, capacity numbers, other details, and tenders etc. If we keep just getting snippets, then all we are doing is continuing to argue over hypotheticals, which won’t help the fanbase move forward on the issue. Those who want to stay will continue to want to stay, those who want to move will continue to want to move, and we’ll all be arguing over details that we don’t know.

 

We have had 2 years of a stadium move being discussed, we have had the club saying the smallest things to supporters whilst saying that more detail will come very soon.

 

Make a fucking decision, tell the fans, move the fuck on.

 

Understand the frustration but telling people making a decision that is liable to cost one and half billion pound to ‘just get on with it, man’, feels a bit silly.

[Stifler]

Just now, SteV said:

Understand the frustration but telling people making a decision that is liable to cost one and half billion pound to ‘just get on with it, man’, feels a bit silly.

They have been teasing that they are making decision soon for quite a while, and that more details will come out. The soon can keeps getting kicked down the road.

Even if they are just telling fans the details of the 2 options, just let us know.

[gbandit]

It’s an entitled view in my opinion. Of course we’d all love full details, we’d also like things to move as quickly as possible. However, they have no obligation to give us the full details nor to move things along as quickly as possible. I think you’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you’re hanging on this news dropping all the time. Just get on with your lives as usual and then react when the news actually comes out 

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, Stifler said:

They have been teasing that they are making decision soon for quite a while, and that more details will come out. The soon can keeps getting kicked down the road.

Even if they are just telling fans the details of the 2 options, just let us know.

How dare they not give you details. Get Mandy on the blower mate, get her to buy the club again. 

[Rod]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

How dare they not give you details. Get Mandy on the blower mate, get her to buy the club again. 

Pathetic isn't it?  Just let the club experts get on with it.  They are doing a great job.

[manorpark]

22 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

 

"Hail to the 1969 European fairs cup winners, baby"

 

Sorry, just made me chuckle that little tagline.

 

Yeah, it's great isn't it - baby !!!

[Wallsendmag]

10 hours ago, Stifler said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren't you originally in the camp of staying at SJP?

 

I know pre-takeover and early days of the takeover, I was excited about the prospect of an expanded SJP.

I just can’t see how it’s viable now. SJP has been left behind, and short of rebuilding it, which can’t happen for various reasons, it’s not going to give us what we want.

More pressingly, as someone who has been to hundreds of games, and even when I had season tickets etc, I always tried to get to at least 1 match per season, if not more.

I’m now in a position where I hardly get to go because of the demand, and there are others just like me.

SJP does offer us what we thought it could in the pre-takeover and early days of the takeover.

The club has missed chances on numerous things in the past, the Leazes Park stadium from the 90’s. The expanded SJP from the mid 2000’s, the takeovers that happened to Chelsea, and Man City.

We eventually got our takeover, now we need the stadium.

 

No I've always been in the camp of moving unless we can develop SJP to the size and stature of a brand new stadium, in a good location of course. SJP feels really tired these days. It looks dated and the atmosphere argumentcan't  be used, as it's usually poor. We actually got wet at the match yesterday because the roof in Level 7 had a bad leak. Lad sat to the right of me said it's been like that for years. 

 

We've got a once in a generation chance here and we need to take it. Of course I'll be sad to leave the old place but nothing lasts forever and the timing is absolutely right to move.

 

A new 70k stadium immediately moves us into the elite level of clubs. It probably values the club at £3bn+. We wouldn't be handicapped with stadium development debt like Arsenal and Spurs were/are. All the pros without any of the cons. No brainer really.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Wallsendmag

[Danh1]

25 minutes ago, Stifler said:

They have been teasing that they are making decision soon for quite a while, and that more details will come out. The soon can keeps getting kicked down the road.

Even if they are just telling fans the details of the 2 options, just let us know.

In fairness nothing official has been said, so it hasn’t been the club teasing. 
 

Douglas has released the same, rewritten article about 12 times for example.

[Wallsendmag]

2 hours ago, TheGuv said:

E.g Atmosphere will be better, more revenue will mean we’re better on the pitch (see Spurs), increase likelihood of getting into the ground etc.

 

But understand I’m probably in the minority 

 

Spurs will still be paying off their stadium for years to come. Regardless of the increase in revenue, that will always handicap them. We'd have no such problems there.

[PauloGeordio]

53 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

 

"Hail to the 1969 European fairs cup winners, baby"

 

Sorry, just made me chuckle that little tagline.

“Don’t get your panties all in a bunch” 

[Whitley mag]

Patience definitely needed but suspect It will be well worth the wait, 70k stadium taller than SJP, new green space and regeneration of area, stuff we could only dream of under Ashley exciting times.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Whitley mag

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, Danh1 said:

Doesn’t sound like we’ll hear anything any time soon then.

 

 

No point announcing it until they know they can do it. 
 

If the question is have they made the decision then it’s a yes clearly you’d think.

 

Can they carry out that decision. We will wait and see.