Whitley mag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: That's one set of issues, it wouldn't resolve the issues of impact on the listed buildings. I’m sure if they turned it into a club museum to house our incoming trophies, the majority of the city would turn a blind eye. Edited February 16, 2022 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Not only that but getting a change of use for a grade 2 listed building is just as hard as trying to demolish it. As for the stadium. I would prefer an expanded SJP or a rebuilt one. If we were to move then the only realistic option is the Arena site, however the area around it would need a lot of work. The car garages, the housing and the area in general is a pretty shit end of town. On top of this there is no real bars or facilities on top of it until you get nearer Central station. Ok it’s not far but compared to SJP, there is a lot less around there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: I’m sure if they turned it into a club museum to house our incoming trophies, the majority of the city would turn a blind eye. It’s got fuck all to do with the city though. Heritage England are the ones who would decide, and they make their decisions from an office away from anywhere and without public opinion, be it local or National. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Stifler said: Not only that but getting a change of use for a grade 2 listed building is just as hard as trying to demolish it. As for the stadium. I would prefer an expanded SJP or a rebuilt one. If we were to move then the only realistic option is the Arena site, however the area around it would need a lot of work. The car garages, the housing and the area in general is a pretty shit end of town. On top of this there is no real bars or facilities on top of it until you get nearer Central station. Ok it’s not far but compared to SJP, there is a lot less around there. Grade 1 isn't it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, madras said: Grade 1 isn't it ? Aye, I get them mixed up, it’s the highest one which means you can’t even think about pairing the window frames without asking first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Numbers are canny difficult, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stifler said: It’s got fuck all to do with the city though. Heritage England are the ones who would decide, and they make their decisions from an office away from anywhere and without public opinion, be it local or National. Dear old Dolly Potter would be proud of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: It's not: https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9758916,-1.6206326,3a,75y,346.79h,92.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNOOttltf4rAmmtAYxhytVA!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656 I always call it the Eastern European stand. Has a very brutalist grim look about it, just makes me think eastern european architecture. Love the juxtaposition of it alongside the modern glass and steel stands though. Very nostalgic view of course, and wouldn't correct anyone who thinks it looks shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: It's not: https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9758916,-1.6206326,3a,75y,346.79h,92.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNOOttltf4rAmmtAYxhytVA!2e0!5s20150601T000000!7i13312!8i6656 Loads of space there for a Valencia North Stand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassassin Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Close Barrack Road between Stanhope Street and Pitt Street except for access; remodel the Stanhope Street and St James Boulevard junctions to allow traffic along Wellington Street and Pitt Street; pivot the ground on Strawberry Corner to increase the distance between the terrace and eastern side of the ground utilising space claimed from Barrack Road. Improve the International Stadium for use in the construction period and gift it to Gateshead FC at the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 This may be an incredibly stupid/naive question, but - assuming money is no object, is it feasible to expand SJP downwards? Would the Metro be an issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Be a bit shit for visibility Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, SteV said: This may be an incredibly stupid/naive question, but - assuming money is no object, is it feasible to expand SJP downwards? Would the Metro be an issue? Once you get involved with the metro the costs would run into the hundreds of billions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 39 minutes ago, Stifler said: It’s got fuck all to do with the city though. Heritage England are the ones who would decide, and they make their decisions from an office away from anywhere and without public opinion, be it local or National. Technically Historic England wouldn't make the decision, Newcastle City Council would (unless it were called in by the Secretary of State), Historic England would only be consulted. But, yes, never going to happen. Turning it Leazes Terrace into a club museum certainly would outweigh any impact. What's the benefit in heritage or any other terms of it being a museum? Why couldn't a club museum be in any other building? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I seem to have a very different viewpoint to many on this thread. Let me state first that if there is one thing I love more than Newcastle United, it's the city of Newcastle upon Tyne. The city's heritage matters - even if you think our Listed Buildings and parks don't affect your life, they do....and your children and your children's children. I love my beautiful city and I'll be damned if anyone wants to level Leazes Park (the only central one) or Leazes Terrace....or, for that matter, Grey Street or The High Level Bridge. We've lost too much already (Handyside and Royal Arcades, King Charles House, Corn Exchange, etc). Enough. I'm 55 and went to my first match in 1972/3. I'd embrace a move from St.James's Park - SO LING AS IT REMAINS IN THE CITY CENTRE. If the site is still available (and I'm sure it could be), then I believe the Arena site is perfect. A stadium of about 75,000 would be ideal and fit this site snugly. It could sit spectacularly overlooking The Tyne with landscaped access from the West Quayside and Scotswood Road. Infrastructure is excellent, being a short walk from Central Station. There is a disused rail viaduct that could be renovated for train/metro/pedestrian use. There is plenty of brownfield/industrial/tertiary land available immediately westward. Possible training pitches, hospitality and community projects. Affordable homes, too. Such investment in this area on the edge of the city centre would have enormous economic and social benefits to the inner west of the city. Transformational. We need to embrace change that is to the enhancement, not detriment, of Newcastle. I'm not averse to a Gallowgate extension and an improved stadium of, say, 58,000. I just believe that would simply be adequate, conservative, insubstantial. This club can do and be more - it can effect great positive change. I'd like to see the present stadium demolished and incorporated into an extended Leazes Park, while a new state-of-the-art stadium of 75,000 should be built a mile to the west. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I totally appreciate the argument, and it's even enticing to some extent, but just seeing the word 'demolish' in the same sentence as SJP makes me want to cry. Imagine watching it being disassembled bit by bit before being ultimately flattened. A truly hideous vision imo. Thankfully I don't think it'll ever happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Dreaming if you think NCC would extend leazes park like, Student accomodation up within the week the vultures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I much prefer a SJP, Ewood Park or Craven Cottage over a Emirates Stadium, Olympic Stadium, Spurs’ ground. To me it feels more like football sitting uncomfortably in a shit plastic seat with no legroom, rather than having a padded bum. I also think atmospheres do suffer as a result. You’re more likely to attract the ‘prawn sandwich brigade’ if their backsides can be heated during the match. Could I care less about all of the extra add ons you get a Tottenham? Not really. I go to the football to do exactly that, watch the match. Extend SJP to it’s max and we’ll live with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Only mad cunts want to move away. I appreciate others may not share this opinion. Mad cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 ‘Best in class in all respects’ I’m really not sure that would include the stadium if we remain at St Jame’s. I actually think it’s inevitable we’ll move and build a new stadium and I’d support whatever decision they made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 keeping the ground as central as possible is vital to the local economy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: ‘Best in class in all respects’ I’m really not sure that would include the stadium if we remain at St Jame’s. Bollocks. Yes it needs upgrading, but it's one of the best stadiums in the country as it is. Saying it needs to move to be one of the best is just wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Wilson said: Bollocks. Yes it needs upgrading, but it's one of the best stadiums in the country as it is. Saying it needs to move to be one of the best is just wrong. You think it compares with the facilities at Spurs and Arsenal ? If you cant upgrade/increase the east stand and gallowgate it will never be best in class. Edited February 16, 2022 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bompeter Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I really think you have to be a genuinely sick freak to even countenance a move away from SJP. As if the Emirates or whatever the fuck the Spurs stadium is called is anything to aspire to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackZeeEeerz Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Doing a long term land swap on leezes park seem pragmatic for the club and council. Build our new stadium on plot close to st jamess then once done, demolish the old stadium and return to park land with a few routes for fans to get to the game ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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