Wilson Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I mean how many seats are in the SE in total.... wondering if it is the whole corner being converted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, jack j said: Mentioned on the atmosphere thread But imagine it just stays the same and those lower down just carry on sitting but now in their rail seats.. Think it's quite a possibility meself ? Surely not, but then the fascination some of our fans have with a bit of grey plastic makes me dubious that it could happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Wilson said: I mean how many seats are in the SE in total.... wondering if it is the whole corner being converted. Sure it’s 3 of the back blocks and one of the lower ones, going from an email a mate received whose seat is in the SE corner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I don't even think the low number is a negative, it's only good news imo. If it's a success I'm sure it'll expand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Upper of c d e and f lower block b 9 minutes ago, Danh1 said: Sure it’s 3 of the back blocks and one of the lower ones, going from an email a mate received whose seat is in the SE corner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Wilson said: I mean how many seats are in the SE in total.... wondering if it is the whole corner being converted. There isn’t any ‘conversion’ is there? Maybe just adding rails in front? I read that seats have to remain as they have in other grounds, so that people can still sit if they want to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I don't even think the low number is a negative, it's only good news imo. If it's a success I'm sure it'll expand. what do you think the club would define as a success? it might be enough to get the H&S nerds off their back with regards to people illegally standing. hopefully that's not the only reason they're doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, jack j said: Mentioned on the atmosphere thread But imagine it just stays the same and those lower down just carry on sitting but now in their rail seats.. Think it's quite a possibility meself ? It only takes one person down there to stand up, then the person behind has to stand, then the one behind them, and so on. And they can’t be told to sit down now… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Big River said: what do you think the club would define as a success? it might be enough to get the H&S nerds off their back with regards to people illegally standing. hopefully that's not the only reason they're doing it. Hard to know really. It could be something as simple as there being no health and safety issues giving them the green light, or it could be an actual improvement in the atmosphere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I imagine the club will like the prospect of - once health and safety is content - raising crowd density. More income for less stadium footprint should be a good motivator for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Has there been any chat about the clubs already trialling looking to change the ratio and increase capacity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Jack27 said: Great news. My seat is in the area that's been selected so I'm canny happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 How does the seat allocation/safe standing ratio work in Germany? Do you need 1:1 so everyone can sit down or are they more flexible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 51 minutes ago, Manxst said: There isn’t any ‘conversion’ is there? Maybe just adding rails in front? I read that seats have to remain as they have in other grounds, so that people can still sit if they want to. They'll have to reconfigure the seating, like. I can't see how they'd work/fit as is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, NEEJ said: They'll have to reconfigure the seating, like. I can't see how they'd work/fit as is. Maybe, but I don’t think they have elsewhere- might be wrong though. In standing areas, fans currently have to have an allocated seat (and hence standing area when the seat is upright). I think the issue is placing a structure in front of the seats so people can lean on it when standing. Unless they replace all the current seats with a ‘bench’ type seat to try and make space to stand? A fold up/down type seat would probably take up as much space as a bench seat, I’d have thought? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Tbf 'convert' was just the term I used to reference changing from seating to safe standing Assumed all that would happen would be the barrier type thing gets added in front of the current seats, but not sure there's even leg room for that. No pics of how they have done the away end? Edited March 27, 2023 by Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, Sima said: How does the seat allocation/safe standing ratio work in Germany? Do you need 1:1 so everyone can sit down or are they more flexible? Think Germany is around 1:1.7 or even 1:1.8. Their safe standing is totally different from ours. It's still of the proper traditional terrace type. I remember a few years back managing to get a standing ticket for a Schalke home game and to say it was packed is an understatement. Had to stand with my arms by my side because there was literally nowhere to move them to. It was just a complete squash. No chance of nipping away for a piss or anything like that either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, Manxst said: Maybe, but I don’t think they have elsewhere- might be wrong though. In standing areas, fans currently have to have an allocated seat (and hence standing area when the seat is upright). I think the issue is placing a structure in front of the seats so people can lean on it when standing. Unless they replace all the current seats with a ‘bench’ type seat to try and make space to stand? A fold up/down type seat would probably take up as much space as a bench seat, I’d have thought? It's really hard to get a handle on what other clubs have done, but it seems like Chelsea installed new seats and rails when they did theirs. It's the location of ours that'll provide the biggest challenge you'd think - it's a corner rather than flat banks of seats. Be interesting either way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Think Germany is around 1:1.7 or even 1:1.8. Their safe standing is totally different from ours. It's still of the proper traditional terrace type. I remember a few years back managing to get a standing ticket for a Schalke home game and to say it was packed is an understatement. Had to stand with my arms by my side because there was literally nowhere to move them to. It was just a complete squash. No chance of nipping away for a piss or anything like that either! I was at Villa Park one year and someone pissed in me pocket. I was furious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, SteV said: Has there been any chat about the clubs already trialling looking to change the ratio and increase capacity? The Gallowgate structure is only safe to handle 1:1 apparently. Any higher ratio and you’ll need a new stadium. Which we do ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, LFEE said: The Gallowgate structure is only safe to handle 1:1 apparently. Any higher ratio and you’ll need a new stadium. Which we do ? How? Surely people just have less individual room? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, SteV said: How? Surely people just have less individual room? More people equals more weight ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I don't know but it could also be factoring in things like the capacity of walkways to manage crowd flow. It'll be an interpretation of health and safety, rightly or wrongly. And the interpretation might change, rightly or wrongly. To give due respect to it, a potential alternative is more things like Hillsborough from the other week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broony Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I got a ticket from a mate of a mate earlier in the season in the safe standing trial area of the upper leazes for Brentford. It’s just normal seats with a rail placed in front to lean on. I don’t think it will change capacity in any way, will be the exact same seats as there are now, just with a rail in front of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) My understanding of safe standing was that it’s a 1:1 ratio to seats. The seats in SJP are absolutely tiny anyway, wouldn’t want people any more crammed in than that. Edited March 27, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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