UV Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 How will the squad gradually improve when constant turnover of top players? Surely, eventually, something has to give? Constant turnover of top players? Isn't that to exaggerate a bit? Carroll's sale was the right thing to do. The deal was terrific. And Enrqiue wants to be sold. That's only two players. Together they have generated a whopping £50 mill. Used wisely, we could buy us a hell of a team that will be much stronger than a team consisting of Carroll and Enrique and mediocre recruitments. Ashley's PR department would be so proud of you. Isn't what he said fact? Even Enrique hasn't left, so actually this is all based on one player sale. While complaining about players on high wages who don't earn it, haven't we sold one or more of our best young players at the time on lowish wages every season bar his first? Milner, N'Zogbia, Bassong, Carroll? I guess you'll argue there were good reasons for selling all of them, but when it's exception after exception after exception, at some point you have to start thinking they're not really exceptions don't you? Don't you have to ask where the priorities lie when deciding whether or not to sell a player? Were they all sold with the aim of the on-field benefit of the club? Was Milner sold so we could improve the team? Was N'Zogbia sold so we could strengthen the squad? Was Bassong sold so we could free up his wages to bring in someone better? Another way of looking at it is who have we resisted serious offers for to hang on to? Then again I'm just one of madras' typical cockney haters who can't look at anything rationally, so Ashley will more than likely prove me wrong in the coming years and will go against practically everything he's done at the club so far and in business in general, and will act competently to hire the best staff available within our means with the on-field success of the club at the top of the priority list, and strive to constantly improve the product he sells to his customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I'm not someone who tries to reduce other people's opinions to stereotypes UV, I just debate the issue. I do think there were good reasons for all of those sales, which I won't go into now as we've done that discussion to death. I would never have signed Duff when we had N'Zogbia, and I would personally have held onto Andy Carroll if it was at all possible (which I don't really know). But I'm a fan and I have the luxury of making decisions with my heart as well as head. I also don't know which offers we have resisted, but there must have been some. I'm heartened by the signings we've made recently, if it continues then it won't matter that we sell the odd player as the club will gradually progress. Obviously making good cheap signings is very difficult and it's a big question mark over the next couple of transfer windows. What I don't believe is that our recent signings have only been made because we plan to sell them for a profit later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I would personally have held onto Andy Carroll if it was at all possible (which I don't really know). Why do you defend them for selling him then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Don't see why they don't just offer him a rise, 4 year contract or something, and put in a minimum fee release clause of 15-20m or something, then everyones happy. would like to think he'd sign it just to help us out a bit.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 How will the squad gradually improve when constant turnover of top players? Surely, eventually, something has to give? Constant turnover of top players? Isn't that to exaggerate a bit? Carroll's sale was the right thing to do. The deal was terrific. And Enrqiue wants to be sold. That's only two players. Together they have generated a whopping £50 mill. Used wisely, we could buy us a hell of a team that will be much stronger than a team consisting of Carroll and Enrique and mediocre recruitments. Ashley's PR department would be so proud of you. Isn't what he said fact? Even Enrique hasn't left, so actually this is all based on one player sale. While complaining about players on high wages who don't earn it, haven't we sold one or more of our best young players at the time on lowish wages every season bar his first? Milner, N'Zogbia, Bassong, Carroll? I guess you'll argue there were good reasons for selling all of them, but when it's exception after exception after exception, at some point you have to start thinking they're not really exceptions don't you? Don't you have to ask where the priorities lie when deciding whether or not to sell a player? Were they all sold with the aim of the on-field benefit of the club? Was Milner sold so we could improve the team? Was N'Zogbia sold so we could strengthen the squad? Was Bassong sold so we could free up his wages to bring in someone better? Another way of looking at it is who have we resisted serious offers for to hang on to? Then again I'm just one of madras' typical cockney haters who can't look at anything rationally, so Ashley will more than likely prove me wrong in the coming years and will go against practically everything he's done at the club so far and in business in general, and will act competently to hire the best staff available within our means with the on-field success of the club at the top of the priority list, and strive to constantly improve the product he sells to his customers. As ever loaded with sarcasm, but that apart - as a matter of interest how would you define "within our means"? The club has operated well outside it's means for years, and that hasn't changed since Ashley took over. Even the Premiership seasons under Ashley consumed money, hence the millions he is owed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I would personally have held onto Andy Carroll if it was at all possible (which I don't really know). Why do you defend them for selling him then? Because I'm not running the football club, and as I said I can make emotional decisions more easily. For example, taking into account the symbolic importance of Carroll, the fact he's Geordie, that there's a chance he might help us achieve bigger things etc etc. I'm able to focus on those things and forget about how great it would be to have an income boost of £35m. I can understand why the people who actually run the club focus on the hard-nosed business decision more. I've never blindly defended the sale, or I hope I haven't, I'm gutted that Carroll left. I can just understand why the decision was made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think a lot of people seem to be over looking the possibility that perhaps Jose just wants to leave. Liverpool or whoever else are prepared to offer semi-serious cash for the lad, and even if the owner / chairman decide that he's central to their plans and they intend to invest the £35mil to take us forward - if he wants out there's not much we can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 - if he wants out there's not much we can do. THIS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 - if he wants out there's not much we can do. THIS! That's not true though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 - if he wants out there's not much we can do. THIS! That's not true though How do you know it's not true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 - if he wants out there's not much we can do. THIS! That's not true though How do you know it's not true? you build an atmosphere within the club that is geared towards success on the field rather than making a profit in every transfer window, then maybe he doesnt want to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 - if he wants out there's not much we can do. THIS! That's not true though How do you know it's not true? you build an atmosphere within the club that is geared towards success on the field rather than making a profit in every transfer window, then maybe he doesnt want to leave. we made a profit every transfer window since Ashley took over? You've got the stats to back that up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 - if he wants out there's not much we can do. THIS! That's not true though How do you know it's not true? you build an atmosphere within the club that is geared towards success on the field rather than making a profit in every transfer window, then maybe he doesnt want to leave. we made a profit every transfer window since Ashley took over? You've got the stats to back that up? Agreed! Fuck me, some people are truly paranoid. Venkman: for all you know, the club is "creating a culture for success." Building brick by brick is how Manure did it, and the same goes for arsenal. Why cannot we have the same patience? Or are you willing to go all in again signing big names? If you doe, you should not complain afterwards if the club is is unsuccessful and is on the verge of being erased from the map. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 - if he wants out there's not much we can do. THIS! That's not true though How do you know it's not true? you build an atmosphere within the club that is geared towards success on the field rather than making a profit in every transfer window, then maybe he doesnt want to leave. we made a profit every transfer window since Ashley took over? You've got the stats to back that up? Agreed! Fuck me, some people are truly paranoid. Venkman: for all you know, the club is "creating a culture for success." Building brick by brick is how Manure did it, and the same goes for arsenal. Why cannot we have the same patience? Or are you willing to go all in again signing big names? If you doe, you should not complain afterwards if the club is is unsuccessful and is on the verge of being erased from the map. Do you know Ashley personally? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Every time Punk77 posts on this forum, a small part of me dies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Colocho: 92-93 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Every time Punk77 posts on this forum, a small part of me dies. I know the feeling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Every time Punk77 posts on this forum, a small part of me dies. Oh please..I actually try substantiate my assumptions. You on the other hand reel of some conspiracy theories and brands every person that disagree as demented..You could for once try to write why you disagree....Your brain will not explode, I promise... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Just give up, man. You're just a rubbish poster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Just give up, man. You're just a rubbish poster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Colocho: 92-93 That's when you started supporting Newcastle? Sorry, I edited my post. Fair play to you mate. I didn't think that was a relevant comment which is why I edited my post. I just don't understand why you put so much effort into defending a man that has shown that this club and us fans do not have a place in his heart. Look at his track record, I'm sure I don't need to reel of a list of things he's done - it's just astonishing to see someone defending Mike Ashley with such enthusiasm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 The thing I like about Punk is that most of the time his waffle is too ridiculous for even me to bite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Just give up, man. You're just a rubbish poster. "just give up?" Stop quoting everything your mum have said to you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Just give up, man. You're just a rubbish poster. "just give up?" Stop quoting everything your mum have said to you... School boy error marra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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