Leazes1986

Thats the thing. I don't think any manager who is good enough to make us into one of the top teams again would be interested in going anywhere near the job at the minute.

Aye but sadly it doesn't look like the club has got any long term plan at all. How many times are we gonna have to put up with Shepherd appointing managers, giving them millions of our money to spend then sacking them and repeating the same mistake?

It won't change while Freddy Shepherd is chairman. The rot started long before Roeder got the job.

Question 1) Are they good enough for the FIRST TEAM of a club aiming for top 4 (via top 6)? Answer - No, not really. Question 2) Are they worth keeping on as squad players? Answer - bearing in mind their limited impact/ability, are they worth the £130k a week they cost us as SQUAD players, NO. 1.None of our players apart from Given and Owen are good enough to get in a top four line up. Owen has been a crock so far. Martins is on a good day but he's far too hit and miss at the minute. 2.I don't know how much they are on a week exactly but if Dyer is on the reported £80,000 a week then he's definitely not worth keeping as a squad player considering how much we get out of him. Most of our squad are overpaid though and its a big problem but we can't really address it because even if we sell the ones on big money it's gonna cost more money to replace a lot of them. I would keep these for definite: Given, Solano, Taylor, Parker, N'zogbia, Milner, Martins I would definitely get rid of the ones i listed earlier in the thread. I would sell Emre if we got a decent bid for him taking all things into consideration, i would sell Duff if we got our money back, i would sell Dyer if we got £3m for him, i would definitely sell Ameobi if i thought there was any chance of us signing enough strikers so we have 4 quality strikers to go into next season with. It's all ifs and buts though. I just don't think its realistic what some people are saying. Long term fine, but this summer the biggest priorities have got to be a new defence, a creative midfielder and a couple of new strikers ideally.

Bollocks. I want a genuine top 6 team. So the likes of Parker, Ameobi, Dyer (if we want to push on, or even have a really consistent team) aren't good enough. I want a genuine top 4 team but it's not gonna happen overnight, and it certainly won't happen by selling the whole squad. I think some of you forget that you need a squad as well as a first 11. Yeah, totally forgot about that tbh, how it slipped my mind i do not know. Maybe i should ask Fat Fred as it slipped his mind at the start of this season as well? The point the most are trying to make in this thread is that there are not many player who you would keep, even the ones that you'd like to build a squad with as so highly paid you want rid of them for younger, hungrier players who perform more than once per 10 games. Its all good fun keeping the like of Duff, Parker, Emre, Dyer & Owen as they are good players, but how often do they perform if at all, and how much a week do this bunch of stars cost the club which is losing money quicker than if Nick Leeson was in charge? I know what you're saying but we have to be realistic as well. A lot of them are clearly overpaid, but even if we sold the likes of Emre who might be on £60,000 a week, it's probably gonna cost more to replace him. If it was an ideal world then i would get rid of most of our players, but realistically we will not be able to so it so we need to sort the priorities out which are clearly some new full backs, centre backs, a creative centre midfielder and a striker as well as a few more good squad players. There is absolutely no chance of us selling a whole defence and half a midfield and a couple of strikers then replacing them all.

Well its all about opinions, but i think Parker and Dyer are definitely good enough players for the 20 odd man squad we should have next season.

Bollocks. I want a genuine top 6 team. So the likes of Parker, Ameobi, Dyer (if we want to push on, or even have a really consistent team) aren't good enough. I want a genuine top 4 team but it's not gonna happen overnight, and it certainly won't happen by selling the whole squad. I think some of you forget that you need a squad as well as a first 11.

How often will you pretend that mediocre journeyment like Parker and Dyer are "much better" than performance after performance after performance shows?? Jesus. Every time they play s****, they get defended. Then on the rare occasions they perform, its taken as proof they are top class. Parker and Dyer aren't mediocre players though. I wasn't defending them at all, i was picking them out as the players who let us down today because they were awful yet they are four members of our squad who are amongst the best of a average/poor bunch. They are clearly better players than they have shown today, but don't take the point i made as if i was sticking up for them because i wasn't. I was picking them out for criticism more than anything. They are very much mediocre. They aren't 'international class', they're id table sloggers at the end of the day. And before you start on Dyer, he runs around a lot, and contributes pretty much f*** all. I've been one of Dyer's biggest critics on here in the past because of his attitude/injuries/lack of end product, but this season he's contributed with a few goals to be fair. I'm not calling him a great player at all though. I rate Parker but i'm not getting in an argument with you over him cos i can't be arsed. Been over it too many times. He was crap today.

I would love it to happen but i think he'll be here for a few more years yet wasting our money appointing 3rd rate managers.

I don't know who some of you think we are tbh. These players clearly aren't up to standard: Srnicek Carr Bramble Moore (had his day) Ramage Babayaro Bernard Pattison O'Brien Luque Sibierski (really like him but he's not good enough) Those lot should not be here next season. The rest of the senior players we have are capable enough but they aren't doing it for one reason or another. Don't kid yourselves by saying our whole squad should be sold though because they aren't Newcastle standard players. Its clear we need new players, but we don't need a whole new squad. We need a strong squad but we won't get that by selling our better players.

How often will you pretend that mediocre journeyment like Parker and Dyer are "much better" than performance after performance after performance shows?? Jesus. Every time they play s****, they get defended. Then on the rare occasions they perform, its taken as proof they are top class. Parker and Dyer aren't mediocre players though. I wasn't defending them at all, i was picking them out as the players who let us down today because they were awful yet they are four members of our squad who are amongst the best of a average/poor bunch. They are clearly better players than they have shown today, but don't take the point i made as if i was sticking up for them because i wasn't. I was picking them out for criticism more than anything.

Team selection was awful so Roeder takes a lot of blame but the players definitely have to take some blame. Don't expect anything from Carr and Babayaro because they aren't good enough to give anymore than they actually do. They are both piss poor. Butt, Parker, Dyer and Martins are much better players than they shown today though.

No, he hasn't, but until recently, over 60% of the people who were reading nufc-online.com thought he was actually the right man to turn things around. He was never the right man, but he's just a scapegoat while the guy whose responsibility is the greatest, Freddy Shepherd, gets away with all kinds of b***s**t. 100% SPOT ON.

We have had loads of injuries but the scary thing is judging by todays team selection with all of the players we had fit, we might actually be in the bottom five now if we had everyone but Owen and Ameobi fit all season.

Who do you have in mind? We were in a much better position when SBR was appointed. It was a good club with a bad manager. Now we are a bad club with a bad manager. I dont think we are a bad club now, Just have a very poor manager. We have some decent players but sadly a few poor ones. We have a good stadium and good training ground, FS love him or hate him but he does back the manager with money if the money is there. We have a very poor chairman. That is the reason we end up with poor managers. We have a few good players, a few decent players and quite a few poor players. Shepherd wastes OUR money backing poor managers who HE appointed.

Fuckin prick.

I thought Duff was one of our better players for a change today like. Thats not saying a lot though.

What good manager would want to risk ruining their reputation by coming to work for the pie man?

Don't be daft.

I've backed Roeder all the way and i like him and would love to see him make a success of the job but i can't defend him today. I was lost for words when i heard the team he picked. Was Moore injured? Why take Nobby off? Terrible team selection, terrible substitutions. The players have to take some of the blame but you can't make a turd shine and i'm afraid thats what Carr and Babayaro are but he picked them despite having everyone but Owen and Ameobi fit. To be fair to them i didn't think they were our worst players today. Dyer and Martins were piss poor.

On a side note i was talking to the bloke who sits next to me and he was saying that Given done a talk in (i didn't ask when but i assume it was over the past few days) and he was asked what he thinks our best defence is and he said Carr, Taylor, Bramble and Babayaro.

Is this some kind of joke? I'm English, i'd support England. It's the badge you're supposed to support.

Spot on.

Take away Taylor and you could say that about absolutely loads of defenders. Doesn't mean we should buy them though.

Why? On our budget, who can we get that are cheaper and better? (although admittedly I could possibly see Silvestre being Babayaro Mark II). I don't know what our budget is but i don't think they are great defenders at all tbh. Roeder has made it quite clear that he didn't want to bring in defenders last summer because he didn't think the ones available were good enough. Distin and Silvestre would just be stop gaps imo. We really need to sort our defence out once and for all. I don't rate Distin any better than a decent defender. We need a solid defence for once who can play together for years to come and be a solid unit.