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they wouldn’t be in the loss if they are capital costs though. any money spent on putting a building up, laying new pitches, gym equipment etc etc would sit on the balance sheet and be depreciated in the same way player registrations are. it would only be staff costs, running costs and then the cost of any youth player purchases that would sit in the loss

i haven’t gone through your accounts to see, but wouldn’t most of the costs in setting up an academy by capital costs and therefore not included in the losses? yes you’d have the payroll costs for the academy staff but nothing for the buildings and facilities. Fees for buying young players would also be written off for FFP, can’t think of much else

More or less, The only difference is that our losses were fairly consistent and we are building additional revenue streams bit by bit whereas Villa's has come out of nowhere really. Would need to see if there are any exceptional costs in there because the fundamentals in player wages and amortisation are going to increase by as much, if not more than their European revenue. As Midds says, its ridiculous for both of us

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05891280/filing-history This year's aren't up, but they will be here in the next couple of days

Hence my first line on the Everton levels of accounting creativity needed to post a loss that slips inside the allowable amount for FFP

Its fully included in the £336k profit from 2021/2022

£20m of that rolls off in this 3 year period. And how you can claim for loss of player value (£4m), write down of player values (£1.4m) and have a loss for not taking up the furlough scheme (£1.6m) is bonkers. A full FFP statement should be made public in the accounts

Had £70m to play with for 2022/2023, they've bust that by £49m though. It's Everton levels of creative allocation of costs to bring that back in line. for 2023/2024 they start with a loss of £119m and a profit of £336k, so lets be kind and round it right down to £118m as a starting point, hence needing to come up with a £15m profit this year. Even if they did then its still a breakeven position needed for 2024/2025. I reckon they'll sell Watkins and someone like Ramsey, but time is against them

Coutinho will fall off the wage bill for this year but you'd imagine Diaby Tielemans and Torres are on a decent wedge Amortisation will also increase by around £20m from the summer activity and they won't see a massive drop off from prior year signings until 2024/2025 (€19m spent in 18/19, over €100m spent every year since then). Before you take off any allowable expenses they had a profit of £336,000 last year and a loss of £37,000,000 the year before. There is some amazing dark arts going on in their FFP calcs to avoid a breach after these accounts, I'd love to get my teeth into them and if they don't breach then we need to have a good hard look at how they've done it. And if Everton can get done 2 years in a row they'd have to come up with a profit of £15m this year to not get done again

Bit annoyed we're going to lose the biggest win of the season. Just have to knock 10 past them at home

Eddie would probably say he does, but surely keeping Longstaff for h/g purposes only makes sense if we are planning on him being a key part of the squad. Lets assume we are in EL or EC next season and not the CL, I'd rather have a smaller European squad but give experience to the academy players who may be the ones to breakthrough next.

we’ll get more than 2 points out of Chelsea, Spurs and Manu.

it’s international week straight after so I can see a pretty strong team being put out

Spurs have a couple of games coming up in Villa and Fulham away. You'd certainly expect them to drop points in at least one of them, I reckon a loss and a draw. Two winnable ones then We've got them at home. If we can beat Chelsea then we've 2 winnable games at home (West Ham and Everton) and Fulham away. If things go our way (ha!) then we could be coming out of the home game with them only 3-4 points behind with 6 to play. Loads of ifs and buts there but shows that it won't take a total collapse for us to get close and put some serious pressure on them for 5th. So if we are aiming for 6th our points target should really be to get enough for 5th in a typical season and see what happens. It is unlikely I grant you, but not complete fan fiction

this is an area where I know I’m an old cunt. why would you want to understand a match by stats? Surely it’s entertainment that you live in the moment and the eye test is all you need for whether something is deserved or not? as I say, I know I’m basically a dinosaur when it comes to appreciating the general use of stats at this level in football. Surely shots on or off target is enough?

he’s decent but there’s a few better number 2s out there. City, Liverpool, Arsenal have far better for starters. You would of course expect that to be the case but there are a few others that push him close

mess looking to see what game 5 was, rather rest him for 1 than lose him for 2. it’s fucking spurs, can’t rest him for that one

Anderson unless you count his pen in the shootout

Has to be the best set of 3pm fixtures in a long while. cue a multitude of nil nil draws

Its time to release the B.I.G front three

Possibly the biggest of all for English football is what if Fergie hadn’t won that first trophy

We’ll that would be the dumbest move ever of true. hes still a NUFC employee, can’t do anything for those lot yet

I don't quite follow - sorry! I was cryptically saying that on average premier league players get paid more because the money is in the league through TV deals, so a comparable player in Germany or France will be on less wages than in England. Of course the money means that a Europa League club from England will (again on average) be able to spend more on a squad than the competition hence the English clubs always being in and around the favourites for all competitions

Over time a bigger wage bill suggests a bigger squad who should be able to cope with injuries better. We aren't at that level yet as we have a Europa League position wage bill but an outside expectation of Champions League placement but as a general point wages=expected performance isn't the worst starting point

And there is a reason premier league players are paid on average more than in other European leagues that is not linked to ability. You will get a player of the same ability from the German or French leagues for less wages than the equivalent in the Premier League. We did it with Bruno. You are right on the will they flop bit, but you can say the same about players moving between clubs - I'd give you Alexis Sanchez or Fernando Torres as 2 high profile 'sure bets' in fairly recent times who moved and flopped