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The Bruce argument is now irrelevant. You are actively supporting Ashley by giving him your money. Nah, I'm not. I'm not backing the owner, I am backing the manager You are funding the owner and accepting his shitness.. So for 3 years you didn't back Rafa? The owner was given an opportunity to change how he did things. Rafa had given us all a bit of hope again. He was showing us the way things could be if he was supported, and presented that plan to the c***s in charge. Instead Ashley and Charnley decided to reject Rafa's plan, sack him off and return to their previous plan of doing and spending the absolute bare minimum to stay in the premier league and maximise the exposure of Sports Direct and associated entities. By appointing Steve Bruce they've shown us that they have literally zero ambition for the club beyond staying in the league and finishing 17th. It has now reached the stage that if you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying that you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy for one of the biggest c***s in the UK. You're buying into how he runs our football club. You're choosing to gloss over the fact that he has systematically destroyed everything that was ever good about supporting our football club. This isn't our club any more. Stop pretending it is, and stop giving the c***s your money I agree with all of that apart from the 'If you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy' Sorry but that's bollocks, you can want an owner out but still go to games, not having that. I'm not happy with how the club is being run, ofcourse I'm not, im as pissed off as anyone that they didn't do enough to keep Rafa. But just because you still want to go to games, it doesn't mean that you're supporting Ashley. Supporters shouldn't be made to feel guilty just because they want to go games and actually support the team. See what he's done to the club man? It's come to this. Attending SJP is now shamed, akin to sneaking into the private shop near Redheugh Bridge. I've been told there's one there anyway. Things are the most toxic, people most divided for a long time.

Tired of all the infighting tbh. All i know is that after 43 years of going to games, and i don't mean to come across all superfan there, just old, i've finally realised there's no point anymore. It's probably taken a decade too long. This club under Ashley merely make up the numbers. A sporting club that doesn't want to compete. That can't be right. Is it too much to ask to have an NUFC i can wholeheartedly back and feel passion for? One with everyone pulling in the same direction and wanting the club to be the best that it can be.

Its not though, we gave Rafa a chance, was that wrong to do then? No, because appointing Rafa was an unusually positive move for this club. It was someone with a decent record at the top level and an upgrade on what we'd had. He was yes, and he did a very good job. However, at the end of the day he finished 13th and 10th in the premier league, no higher. Is it against the realms of possibility that Bruce can finish in those places too? It's about what a manager does at THIS club 10th and 13th under difficult circumstances. The potential for Rafa to take us on further with moderate backing was there for all to see. He's been allowed to slip through our fingers. Now we don't really have a manager of choice, just someone prepared to take the job. That's the thing about Ashleys' NUFC. It's always shooting itself in the foot. Needless sabotage that i can't get my head around when a successful club would surely be of mutual benefit to fans and owner.

Its not though, we gave Rafa a chance, was that wrong to do then? No, because appointing Rafa was an unusually positive move for this club. It was someone with a decent record at the top level and an upgrade on what we'd had.

How did the club change hands though? Oyston didn’t want to go did he? It look legal action against him iirc I just mean that as a PL club our gate money might not be badly missed because they rake in loads from tv coverage. A lower league club doesn't have that safety net . Starving the club of gate money then makes a massive dent in the finances. If that were the case here I don't think there'd be enough reward for Ashley. Not worth sticking around for.

The thing about tv revenue or lack of it in the lower divisions is that boycotts have more of an impact in the lower leagues. Look at Blackpool. Fans stayed away. Gate revenue was a bigger percentage of their income. Worked for them. Was only hundreds of home fans at their games. Club changed hands then about 16000 flooded back for their 1st home game afterwards.

They had the cheek to say stop pissing and moaning while doing exactly that themselves. Saying things could be worse as if we should be grateful while ignoring that things could and should be better. 'We've just got to suck it up and get on with it'. Isn't that what we've done for years? How long do we pay good money to continue to do so knowing there's no intent to better the club? It's as if we're fair weather fans bailing out simply because things are bad on the pitch. Missing the point. I've watched shite most of my life but we've at least tried to be better in the past.

Then he'll maybe hopelessly chasing his money before hopefully realising he just has to cut his 'losses' and get out.

Me and the wife are in Blackpool next Friday/Sat and i just haven't got the enthusiasm to go to that game. I'm going to Fleetwood v what now must be Preston reserves on Friday night in my bid to do the 92 league grounds (72/92 done). Has it come to this? I'm more interested in going to fkn Fleetwood than watching my own club.

Looks canny, but it's like putting make up on a 70 year old hag.

Pretty much this, i think the next step is coming on here less. The worrying thing for me is that i'm not sure i'll ever get that passion back, even under new, ambitious owners and we actually become successful. So hard to feel anything for the club anymore. Probably just bitterness at the moment.

Everyone's circumstances are different, don't beat yourself up over it. For what it's worth I reckon old people and young kids get a pass on all this stuff anyway. Agree with this like. There was a lass on Twitter getting some stick for renewing. She even said she hadn't wanted to but she has an autistic son and if they change their routine it causes massive distress for him and he sees SJP as his "safe place." For for that reason alone, cancelling would have caused no end of problems. Not that she should have to explain herself anyway but you can't blame the likes of her for still going. All symptomatic of Ashleys' reign. He's divided a fan base that when it has a club worth backing is 2nd to none.

John Hall and FS may have been well rewarded but without them we faced possible extinction. There would have been no KK, no regular European trips and SJP would have remained a shithole. Whatever they took out, they wanted a competitive, successful NUFC.

Aye. Was only there groundhopping. Something it looks like I'll have more time and money to do next season without an nufc season ticket.

Went to a Bury game last season. The football experience wasn't great but the town was wall to wall with pubs.

As a kid then I remember the late 70s/early 80s being bad. We were relegated in 78 and I'm sure there was a midweek game v Norwich where the crowd was about 7K that season. Club was skint. They'd demolished the leazes end and it stood only partially rebuilt, was just a terrace with a wall behind, for years. Unbelievably Keegan came as a player in 82 and things took off but Mckeag and co were a bit like Ashley in the respect that they'd sell their granny. Once KK left Beardsley, Gazza and Waddle were all sold within the space of a few years. Thing is nowadays is that Ashley's clearly is in it for himself and has an ulterior motive as owner.

None in particular. Simply a one whose owners have the best interests of the club at heart and try to make the best of resources available to them.

Ellen White would have had the golden stiletto in the bag had it not been for the goals she's had chalked off.

Is not being able to watch the club you love IF happier times do come along a SMALL sacrifice? And I agree, unless we act there's unlikely to be any happier times but this is where the catch 22 situation comes in.

Suppose when people are deciding what to do with their ST it matters more to some than others, depending on how many they have. All i'm saying is if there is to be an ambitious, hopefully successful nufc, with everyone pulling in the same direction i'd like to experience it 1st hand, but having had all my enthusiasm for the club drained out of me i'm not prepared to pay possibly thousands of pounds for unlimited seasons of more shite just to keep the points as a guarantee.

Just curious. How many did you write off when you packed in?

Well summed up bluestar. You stay away to help bring about change. Change and a modicum of success comes and you can't be part of it without the points. You're watching a semi final on the box while someone who hasn't made a stand lauds it over you with a trip to Wembley and a told you so attitude. These points are a massive trap. Having said that, personally I'm thinking can I justify paying half a grand a season for what could be many seasons while hoping Ashley goes, just to keep those points? All the while watching a pointless club that doesn't try, with very little enthusiasm.

Wonder where you'd stand if you applied for an away ticket when you had the loyalty points, i'm thinking Tottenham here. They took your money, then you cancelled your DD afterwards. Could they in any way make that ticket invalid/not give you that ticket?

Successive relegations are what needs to happen , help drive the fans away and make NUFC a loss maker for him . Theres no way he leaves otherwise at least this side of death This. I honestly don't know how to feel about my club any more. Angry of course but should i be hoping for good results while part of me hopes we crash and burn? Going down a league or 2 means he gets nothing out of being here and he might as well cut his losses.

Even if it was good business. Any club who wanted to do anything would be asking themselves why he wants to leave. I don't think MA will be gutted at having to let him go thanks to that pesky release clause.