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This.Thats all. Wouldnt they be suing him for 2m? Couldnt give a s*** tbh,i just know if something meant so much to me i wouldnt be trying to skank money from it. Seeing as he was contractually obliged to pay up £2m if he broke the deal, he'd only avoid that if he claimed that they'd broken the deal. Bearing that in mind might explain him accepting an out of court settlement, eh? Doesn't want to be wrongfully sued but doesn't want to screw the club he loves - a settlement would thus not suggest his case wasn't watertight. Flawless logic, so far as I'm aware. Flawless logic? He was contractually obliged to pay the club £2 million if he walked. He walked. He doesn't want to pay the £2 milion to the club so he sued them in what is essentially a defensive action. Occam's razor, my man. He was given promises & took the job on the grounds of having the final say on players. Those promises we're broken. 2m clause is then not justifiable

This.Thats all. Wouldnt they be suing him for 2m? Couldnt give a s*** tbh,i just know if something meant so much to me i wouldnt be trying to skank money from it. I understand looking at it like that like, though SBR had to fight for his compensation from the club, and yes I know he was sacked, but if Keegan left after bieng shafted in his eyes then its the same type of thing, & if he's been treated how he thinks then he's not going to be happy to pay 2m.

This.Thats all. Wouldnt they be suing him for 2m?

I think people are referring to this: “We are hoping to reach two important settlements in the next week or so which potentially could cost the club a lot of money,” “One of those is the settlement with Kevin Keegan and the other is the fee for Jonas Gutiérrez. We are talking about millions of pounds here and, if we have to pay out a vast sum of money, that will hit our revenue elsewhere.” They stated many times "Kevin has the final say on players" Then Keegan says "Imo a manager should not a player imposed on him" Then came the FACT statement... surely if the bit in bold was true, they would have listed "It is a fact Kevin Keegan had the final say on players”? Instead of "It is a fact Kevin Keegan agreed to the system”? The dodgyness of the DOF system seems to be very telling by the fact they want Joe Kinnear long term, a better manager coming in would give credibility to the system, surely they'd want that if there’s nothing dodgy about it?

With Vetre & Jimmenez bieng the scouts also (& having that title), what else does Wise (DOF) do aswell as scout? Report to the Chairman about football matters... shouldnt that have been Keegan?

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? Why would he say that if his remit was so clear...running the show an all. You have to make you're mind up..Was/is Wise in total control of player transfers? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7223479.stm Wise explains role at Newcastle Keegan wants to make it clear he is the boss of Wise Newcastle executive director Dennis Wise has insisted that manager Kevin Keegan has the "final word" on all football matters at the club. Wise left his role as Leeds boss earlier this week to take up his position with the Premier League club. "I'm here to help Kevin, bringing young players through and also recommend certain players to him," said Wise. "He'll say yes and no, he has the final word, no-one else. Everything that happens will be run past him." Wise, who has previously managed Millwall and Swindon, added: "I'm not going to bring players in behind his back - I'm not into that. "A lot of people have got mixed up with the reason why I am here. I'm not here to be involved in the first team, I'm not here to manage. "I have to concentrate more on the academy, we need some young blood coming through of our own. We need to look abroad for players and that's my intention over the next few years." Keegan has insisted that the appointment of Wise was made with his blessing and that he believes the new structure will be successful. He said: "I am all for the changes and I approve of them. They want someone on the board who understands football, and Dennis understands football very well. "It will work very well. Dennis reports to me - the chain is established. "The club has become slightly fragmented. From my point of view, it's a positive thing - provided I get all the help I need. "I know what Dennis is going to do, and the idea in principle is good - to look for new players, to bring youngsters through and do things which our academy isn't doing so much at the moment." Keegan also revealed he was involved in the appointment after speaking to owner Mike Ashley before he returned as manager. "I knew about it. It's not a surprise to me, it might be to other people," Keegan told BBC Radio 5 live. "Two or three names were given to me when I first sat down and talked about the job with the owner. One of them was Dennis. "I know Dennis. I know he's intelligent. I know his job here is to help me. He's on my side. "How can any manager be against someone who is going to come to the club to try to bring in talent? "It's right for this football club. A lot of people outside might be shocked about it. I think in the long term it's the right decision. It's something that needs to be done."

Why punish managers? If there were more top class English youngsters coming through the ranks, we'd see them. But the problem is the poor coaching we have for kids, thats the problem area, to put it on the door of foreigners is cheap & lazy, & plain wrong imo!!

He could have come out before the Hull game with a statement in reaction to Keegan leaving. A statement similar to the one I'm talking about; re-enforcing his vision for the club. There was nothing apart from the 'FACT' statement, which had no name to it. It was crazy really; anger was allowed to build up during that week because zero leadership was shown by the people at the club. Yes, the chaos/unrest did not help the team, but there were allegations of foul play towards a legend of this club & during this time there was no communication from someone at the club. It was mis-managed so badly & the reaction was in part a result of that.

Yes, the Academy seems to be going well, and there does need to be perspective in amongst the critisism - it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, its refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with the other aspects it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects. The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position. The vibe coming out of NUSC imo should be "we do appreciate this and that, and do think this is good to see... on the other hand we still do not know exactly what Dennis Wise' job is, and it is suspicious that is still the case"

No Imo, you know that statement Ashley released when annoucing his vision for the club, but now putting it on the market? It would have helped a lot if he released that, without the putting it on the market bit, a day or two after Keegan went. He could have quite easily done that, and it would have made a difference, but he didnt.

Terrible tacke like. His performance before the sending off was good - he was making some great runs in behind but wasnt picked out, and it was quality awareness to play Lovenkrands in.

Your first statement Coco. This was my first statement: "Who says there'll be losses? If this move gets attendances up to around 50,000 there would be no loss from this season." What's so bad about it? I meant this one "Newcastle drop season ticket prices, Newcastle fans complain, couldn't f***ing make it up, some of you are clowns." Aye, well done then they also announce that Kinnear will be staying on if his health is ok which they except it will be. Give with one hand take with the other. And tbh i would pay more for a season ticket if i knew we would get some progress. And by progress i dont mean finishing 3rd or summik daft like that. So if we buy a few £20m players in summer, then have to put the price up to cover the cost, you wouldn't start a thread on here stating that they're not managing the club correctly? You'd be one of the first to complain tbh. Progress is not confirming Kinnear is there man for the long-term. This more than anything shows the lack of ambition, theres no excuse for it. And if anyone says 'what do you expect them to say', say nothing on the subject other than 'we will all sit down together & it will be sorted out in the summer at a more appropriate time'.

He recruits players. So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then. See what I mean? No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job. How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is? We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title. I'll find a link later when I have enough time. I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings. Aye, they basically lied. I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now. Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though. I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached. Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it. They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change, I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now. Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job? Well he definately had an interview, Keegan knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now. The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it. That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is. You know you're getting desperate when you're prepared to believe anything Redknapp says. Retrievable ? The comments were talking about what difference does someone who is "odious" mean, so its a relevant question, as Ozzie Mandias has held a different view of someone else who was supposed to be "odious". Whats different about it ? And why do you insist I answer questions and not others ? FWIW, I don't give a toss if someone is "odious", and that has been my view right down the line, if they perform for the club. I am not anti Denis Wise because he is "odious", I'm anti Denis Wise because he is filling a role I don't think is necessary and also in this role I think he is a hindrance to the chance of recruiting a good manager. I also don't think he's doing as well as some people are making him out to be. What exactly is Wise's role? I believe Kevin Keegan when he says he wasn't allowed to manage the club properly. And I've stated my objection to a DOF at any club, where I think no manager worth their salt would allow anybody else to dictate transfer targets to them. Hope that answers your question To be honest though that's just what you think Keegan wasn't allowed to do and your thoughts on the DoF role in general. It doesn't really tell us exactly what Wise does with regards to recruitment at various levels within the club and what influence he has elsewhere. FWIW I wasn't trying to catch you out. While I'm happy with certain aspects of recruitment, I'm not entirely sure what Wise does or is supposed to do with regards to that and this IMO is half the problem. If his role was finally clarified maybe some people wouldn't have the objections they currently have. Although I know some idiots would still want him out regardless of what the actual facts are. Exactly. Out of anything else, the thing I most wanted to hear in the Llambias Q & A was what SPECIFICALLY does Wise do, and the answer was yet again just a vague description of 'he looks around the world for players'... again, that would mean he's just a scout then? So Why not have the title scout? So its back to square bloody one. A different question of 'Is his role the best thing for NUFC?' seems to have been answered with 'no' - after Llambias confirming they want Kinnear long term. The answer could have been 'yes' if they went out for a better manager, because a better manager coming in in the summer would have backed up Wise's role as a good thing.

He recruits players. So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then. See what I mean? No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job. How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is? We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title. I'll find a link later when I have enough time. I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings. Aye, they basically lied. I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now. Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though. I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached. Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it. They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change, I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now. Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job? Well he definately had an interview, Keegan knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now. The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it. That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is. From what I remember, Redknapp was spoken to about whether he'd be interested in the job but claimed that he'd never move from the south coast so taking the job would be out of the question. He wasn't offered the job because we already knew that he'd refuse it, but he was sounded out. Harry was approached big time. He confirms here he was approached and the 'system' was put to him: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7596038.stm

Isnt this confirmation they have no ambition, and that the 'manager's' poisition in this system is not a credible one?

So, a 'yes man' position it is then... ? Shambolic.

And if not? A question to you and the open forum. The appointment of the right manager is the biggest thing Ashley can do, and where ambition can be judged on - where the actually position can then be looked upon as a credible one. And where Wise's role would also seem more credible. I want to believe they have good ambitions, but the fact they offered Kinnear 2 years makes that very hard to believe and can only make me think they want a yes man. But again, prove me & everyone else wrong in the summer, I'm willing & want to see him do that.

I am uncomfortable with Wise's role as it seems. Youth players? Brillaint, nothing wrong with that, good stuff & a refreshing change on trying to get the youth side right. Recruiting players for the first team? First of all, if that is what he does do, or has input in that side anyway, why didnt Derek Llambias club confirm this in his Q & A? Talking about players we have signed - a lot have been good yes, but we have also went into the season short on players & threadbare in some positions. This means the 'recruitment' has not exactly been a big success! And finally, I personally do not like the idea of a DOF having input & say about 1st team recruitment with the manager because a) I think there would always inevietable disagreements between DOF & manager and b) The manager lives & die's on results, he should have total control on the tools he chooses to have to gain those results - he gets sacked, the DOF dosent. But questions need to be asked for more details/confirmation on Dennis Wise's influence at the club, rather than straight 'Ashley/Wise Out' banners.

Screams 'no ambition'. I think its good to hear from Llambias finally, and its a start for better communication hopefully, so I think the academy side of things is good, and its refreshing to see young 17/18yr olds bieng snapped up, good for the future Also you can obviously understand the financial position - the wages are a bit of a killer, and the resession compouds things, so that obviously has to be acknowledged. The negatives for me; Dennis' Wise role - its still not clear Fair enough if its legal reasons etc (although would that not have been mentioned?). If his job is to 'look for players around the world', is his position not then a scout? If so, why not have the title 'scout'? "but thats not all he does so it wouldnt reflect his position"... so why didnt Llambias explain what else he does in his position!! Why does it have to be so bloody murky?? Its just really an uneasy position to have at the club for me. Joe Kinnear is who they wanted. Ok, if the manager's position is not one that comes with interference, and not a bit of a 'yes-man' job then why would the club not want to prove that and allay any doubts about that (of which there a many) by having the vision & ambition to search & try to appoint a good good manager? With respect the fact they wanted Kinnear does not give much credibility to the position on offer at all, and it is so so worrying that is their standards, and their mindset. That is the level they are working on, and road they are driving down... what other 'solutions' are they going to come with with down this road?

This. And appointing a good manager would be actions that speak for themselves, so its up to them to do that.

I agree, you never know maybe his attitude will change.

I'm on about more specific midfielders to take over from Butt more or less holding. We need to work Nolan into our play, he makes better runs into the box than Barton, if he can be found he would get more goals than Barton imo.

Not the finished article no way, and needs to add more bite to his game I'd say, but he could be a real quality player imo.

I'd want us to go for him in the summer. He's big, strong, and has an excellent pass on him. He might not get as many games at Spurs especially with Palacious coming in, and if he got his head right with hunger and wanted 1st team football I'd definetely try for him. Wouldnt mind seeing a line up like this next season (if we stay up): __________________________Martins_________Sturridge_____________________ _________________________________Tuncay________________________________ _________________Jonas_________Huddlestone_________Nolan_______________ Enrique_______________Bassong_________________?______________________Beye __________________________________Harper_______________________________ Sturridge again from Man City, chances will probably be limited, whenever I've seen him he looks potentially class, big lad, good skill. Tuncay could play that role just behind perfectly too. I still like Collocini, its just he's not the best in the air. Could still be a good player for us over the years, and him & Bassong could be a good partnership.

Or "Jose EnrIque!" clap clap, clap clap, clap... "Nobby Solano!" style.