Froggy

That would seem on the low side. What do you think you'll end up accepting Froggy? Surely an Inter Milan or someone could be tempted in to paying top dollar for him? He's a fantastic footballer but he's clearly unhappy and doesn't want to be there. Only two years left on his contract. I'd say £35m will see it done. I think we want to actually sign somebody before we let him go though.

Fresh bid of 25m plus add ons for Rooney. I'd say a good 12m below our valuation right now, given the current situation.

Big fan of the changes.

Goal for Parky.

Premiership Winners: Man City Runners Up: Chelsea 3rd-6th: Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool Relegation: Stoke, Hull, Crystal Palace. Overachievers: Norwich Underperformers: West Brom, Sunderland Top Goal Scorer: Robin van Persie Break Out Year: Coutinho, Zaha Season to Forget: Negredo PFA Player of the Year: Mata PFA Young Player of the Year: Zaha Manager of the Year: Pellegrini First manager to quite/be sacked/'mutual consent': Di Canio Newcastle United Where will we finish?: 13th Top Goalscorer?: Cisse. How will we do in the cup competitions?: Last 16. How will we do in the derby games?: Two draws. Domestic Championship Promotion: QPR, Wigan, Watford Championship Relegation: Yeovil, Doncaster, Barnsley League One Promotion: Wolves, Peterborough, Sheff Utd League One Relegation: Coventry, Carlisle, Shrewsbury, Tranmere FA Cup: Man Utd League Cup: Liverpool Johnstone's Paint Trophy: Wolves Europe La Liga winner: Barcelona Serie A winner: Juventus Bundesliga winner: Bayern Münich Champions League winner: Bayern Münich Europa League winner: Spurs World Player of the Year: Messi or Cleverley Other Will Darren Bent outscore our new strikers? No. Will Di Canio still be at the mackems come May 2014? Yes. How many points will Rangers win Scots Div 2 by? 7 Will we field a team with 10 French players in this season? I really hope not, no. How will Moyes do at Man United? He'll do a very good job, but Man City and Chelsea will be too strong this season, as it stands. Will the new goal line technology be a success? I have no idea. Hit and miss. Will NUFC finally score from a set penis? It's been done in pre-season so it'll happen again. Against Chelsea at SJP.

Anyone want to do it? I lack the creativity for the fun stuff at the bottom. I reckon Mike should do it.

I can't wait until Cleverley becomes one of the top midfielders in the league this season.

I'd say Djemba-Djemba was looking at a 19% pass success rate. Seen by Fergie as Roy Keanes successor you know. Was a good call.

All of that is utter nonsense. Re watch your games. Even in pre season the guy mis places passes all the time. It infuriates me because he's gonna be in the World Cup team and he shouldn't be playing like that. I don't need to rewatch anything. Cleverleys pass success rate with us is 91% since his first game, which is higher than Scholes. Constantly misplacing passes doesn't get you a pass success rate of 91%. Pretty sure the only midfielder who played 20 games or more last season who bettered Cleverleys passing success was Dembele. Also, your comment about pre-season is completely off the mark. He's always phenomenal in pre-season. When he came into our first team he was our best player in pre-season against Barcelona (arguably the best player on the pitch) and the next game he came on against City in the 3-2 win at the Community Shield. Cleverley changed that game as well. You're wrong about Cleverley, simple as. He's a very good footballer, is going to get better and will prove any doubters wrong. I'm sure of it.

Aye there's two Liverpool threads. I feel inclined to start a Man Utd one.

All of that is utter nonsense.

I guess that's just where we'll have to agree to disagree. I already rate him highly and think he's already a very good footballer and progressing at a very good rate considering he only broke into our squad under two years ago. It's kind of the same situation as Carrick where opposing fans didn't rate him that highly during his first few years with us and consistently said he wasn't good enough to be starting for Manchester United. Now everybody sees him as the best or one of the best midfielders in the league. I would love us to sign Fabregas for obvious reasons, but I see Carrick and Cleverley as a good central partnership. It's going beyond those two that's the problem. Anderson and Giggs are next and I don't believe they are good enough. --------------------------------- Since we're in the unpopular thread here's another from me: I think Ole Solskjaer is arguably the best finisher we've had at the club since the Premier League began.

I seen a lot of people (from other clubs) that think like that but honestly everyone at our club rates Cleverley very highly. He's a very quick thinker and always plays a smart pass and he's full of hustle and bustle as well. He came on leaps and bounds last season and we're expecting him to raise his game even further this year. He is only 23 remember which is relatively young for a central midfielder. Osman had the better season last year but I think they're very similar in regards to ability. Osman has probably reached his peak and could start to decline soon, whereas Cleverley will get better and better for years to come yet. I would rather have Tom Cleverley on my team to be honest.

If Moyes can get Gibson and Osman playing top football I'm sure he'll manage with Carrick and Cleverley. Not so sure about Cleverley, considering Osman is superior. Debatable.

Lolz. Betting against the best side in the World again.

If Moyes can get Gibson and Osman playing top football I'm sure he'll manage with Carrick and Cleverley.

Vidic.

You're a bastard of a man.

I just love football man. Used to love being back home and watching Super Sunday where'd you get two Premier League games and then a La Liga one straight after. ESPN used to have Serie A highlights on after that too. I'd say the only other sport/game that catches my attention as much as football is darts, but it's obviously not even close. Football is life.

When he scored that header against us last year I wanted the world to die. I can usually tolerate him but that literally sent me apoplectic. I would have thought his goal in the 4-3 would have hurt more. Typical for you guys like. He hasn't scored over a goal a season in 8 years with us. Last season he scores 4 and 2 are against NUFC.

To be fair Evra had a cracking season last year. Adding to the fact I support Manchester United and I absolutely adore Evra this is probably one of the rare cases where I'm a bit biased.

Come off it man. Obviously Baines' set pieces are an asset, but I don't think there's anything in their defending and Evra is better going forward. IM unpopular O.

Darren Bent is a good striker. Always felt Alex Song was overrated and got crucified for it. Evra is better than Baines. Jonny Evans is brilliant.

I think it's class.

If Spurs manage to keep Bale and get Negredo (or any star striker) then Wenger will have too much to do imo Doubt City would sell Negredo after 11 days though.