sempuki Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Begging Steve f***ing McClaren to take the job three times. Glad he accepted. 4 times might have been humiliating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Making an issue of McClaren turning us down twice before is getting a bit tiresome. On the first occasion, it was half way through the season, his club was chasing promotion, and it's perfectly right and proper that he should opt to try and see the task through. On the second occasion, he was asked to take over for the last three games of the season, for a club that was fighting relegation - not exactly a golden opportunity and probably an unwise step for our club to make regardless. There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. Secondly, there's the quality of football that Derby were playing - keeping it on the deck and passing it creatively through the midfield. Anyone who denies that either didn't see them at all or caught them on a bad day. That style may not have been characteristic of his earlier career, but perhaps he picked a few things up from his spell on the continent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I like McClaren, tbh. I think he will do fairly well here if given good players and/or the finances to pursue talent. Also, a much better face for the club than the Pardew character.There are obviously still persistent and deep issues with the way NUFC is operated, but the manager's seat will have it's best occupant since September 2008, imo. Yes, I agree. Also key is that we now have a manager in tune with Carr. There can therefore be no excuses for not getting players in, and on time, and then having them used properly. The first thing to see is whether recruitment improves drastically, now there should be no more discord behind the scenes. Yeah but It’s not a case of someone getting the job because he’s a friend of a friend or he knows someone. It's not even that their friends for me, but that they respect each others work. McClaren will value Carr's ability, and will better appreciate the players being brought in, and will be more involved in tha process, and have discussions with him about how to maximise their performances when they join, rather than keep harping on about Bent and Tomkins like that previous idiot did. Okay the setup hasn't worked so far, but from my viewpoint that was largely down to Pardew's lack of real ability or ingenuity. Carr has been trying to get in the kind of players we want to see, but the manager had no interest in ever trying to play the football we want to see. it was a major disconnect. Didn't he sign Bent for Derby? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Scored 10 in 15 and Paul Clement is about to sign him permanently. Championship striker now, nowt wrong with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newintoon Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Making an issue of McClaren turning us down twice before is getting a bit tiresome. On the first occasion, it was half way through the season, his club was chasing promotion, and it's perfectly right and proper that he should opt to try and see the task through. On the second occasion, he was asked to take over for the last three games of the season, for a club that was fighting relegation - not exactly a golden opportunity and probably an unwise step for our club to make regardless. There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. Secondly, there's the quality of football that Derby were playing - keeping it on the deck and passing it creatively through the midfield. Anyone who denies that either didn't see them at all or caught them on a bad day. That style may not have been characteristic of his earlier career, but perhaps he picked a few things up from his spell on the continent. If he was that great why did he get sacked from a championship club?we are getting him because he failed his objective in the championship,it makes no sense! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Swansea only got Rodgers because he nearly took Reading into League One. That argument is flawed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Making an issue of McClaren turning us down twice before is getting a bit tiresome. On the first occasion, it was half way through the season, his club was chasing promotion, and it's perfectly right and proper that he should opt to try and see the task through. On the second occasion, he was asked to take over for the last three games of the season, for a club that was fighting relegation - not exactly a golden opportunity and probably an unwise step for our club to make regardless. There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. Secondly, there's the quality of football that Derby were playing - keeping it on the deck and passing it creatively through the midfield. Anyone who denies that either didn't see them at all or caught them on a bad day. That style may not have been characteristic of his earlier career, but perhaps he picked a few things up from his spell on the continent. If he was that great why did he get sacked from a championship club?we are getting him because he failed his objective in the championship,it makes no sense! I don't agree with this at all, I don't think he was sacked because he didn't gain promotion. I think it was more the constant links to us. Seriously baffled as to why at least one person on here said that Derby had the strongest squad in the Championship. They didn't. If we strengthen where we need to then, personally, I think McClaren will surprise a few people. Not just supporters of our club but fans of others too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Only reason we are getting him is because he is mates with Graham Carr and because he is cheap and will do as told as he will never get a chance to manage a club of this size. The last five years of his managerial career constitute utter failure. At any self respecting club with a modicum of ambition he wouldn't even be under consideration. I hope this blows up in Ashley & co's faces, because that's exactly what they deserve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Pros: Not Pardew of Carver Has a history of resigning Cons: Everything else Especially that stupid hair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Pros: Not Pardew of Carver Has a history of resigning Cons: Everything else Especially that stupid hair. Unnatural teeth too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Making an issue of McClaren turning us down twice before is getting a bit tiresome. On the first occasion, it was half way through the season, his club was chasing promotion, and it's perfectly right and proper that he should opt to try and see the task through. On the second occasion, he was asked to take over for the last three games of the season, for a club that was fighting relegation - not exactly a golden opportunity and probably an unwise step for our club to make regardless. There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. Secondly, there's the quality of football that Derby were playing - keeping it on the deck and passing it creatively through the midfield. Anyone who denies that either didn't see them at all or caught them on a bad day. That style may not have been characteristic of his earlier career, but perhaps he picked a few things up from his spell on the continent. If he was that great why did he get sacked from a championship club?we are getting him because he failed his objective in the championship,it makes no sense! I don't agree with this at all, I don't think he was sacked because he didn't gain promotion. I think it was more the constant links to us. Seriously baffled as to why at least one person on here said that Derby had the strongest squad in the Championship. They didn't. If we strengthen where we need to then, personally, I think McClaren will surprise a few people. Not just supporters of our club but fans of others too. Can't have been that bad. Looking at predictions for the season just gone most had them quite high up, for example: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/08/championship-club-by-club-preview (1st). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Free flowing attacking football, blimey. His only Premier League job saw him play exclusively turgid negative stuff. People seem to be forgetting that you can't get out of the Championship trying not to get beat every week. His remit here will be to finish in mid-table, no better, no worse. The idea of him taking that remit and not going back to what did the same job for him in the past is, imo, a fantasy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Swansea only got Rodgers because he nearly took Reading into League One. That argument is flawed. Swansea were a Championship club man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Making an issue of McClaren turning us down twice before is getting a bit tiresome. On the first occasion, it was half way through the season, his club was chasing promotion, and it's perfectly right and proper that he should opt to try and see the task through. On the second occasion, he was asked to take over for the last three games of the season, for a club that was fighting relegation - not exactly a golden opportunity and probably an unwise step for our club to make regardless. There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. Secondly, there's the quality of football that Derby were playing - keeping it on the deck and passing it creatively through the midfield. Anyone who denies that either didn't see them at all or caught them on a bad day. That style may not have been characteristic of his earlier career, but perhaps he picked a few things up from his spell on the continent. If he was that great why did he get sacked from a championship club?we are getting him because he failed his objective in the championship,it makes no sense! I don't agree with this at all, I don't think he was sacked because he didn't gain promotion. I think it was more the constant links to us. Seriously baffled as to why at least one person on here said that Derby had the strongest squad in the Championship. They didn't. If we strengthen where we need to then, personally, I think McClaren will surprise a few people. Not just supporters of our club but fans of others too. Can't have been that bad. Looking at predictions for the season just gone most had them quite high up, for example: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/08/championship-club-by-club-preview (1st). Oh right, a single Guardian reporter who also had Birmingham at 24th and Bournemouth at 13th, Brentford 14th, Cardiff 3rd, Fulham 7th, Wigan 5th.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 There's plenty of others. Also bookies' odds. They were amongst the title favourites and underachieved by finishing 8th. Don't see how that is even up for debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Free flowing attacking football, blimey. His only Premier League job saw him play exclusively turgid negative stuff. People seem to be forgetting that you can't get out of the Championship trying not to get beat every week. His remit here will be to finish in mid-table, no better, no worse. The idea of him taking that remit and not going back to what did the same job for him in the past is, imo, a fantasy. Are you still pretending he was crap for boro? Because your "friends" told you this. I work with a boro fan and he is the greatest manager in their history. Doesn't mean I want him but don't change history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 There is still hope. http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/13310377.McClaren_urged_to_choose_Sunderland_over_Newcastle/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Swansea only got Rodgers because he nearly took Reading into League One. That argument is flawed. Swansea were a Championship club man. Exactly my point. And look where they ended up when he left them, and look where Rodgers ended up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Swansea only got Rodgers because he nearly took Reading into League One. That argument is flawed. Swansea were a Championship club man. Exactly my point. And look where they ended up when he left them, and look where Rodgers ended up. Why aren't all Premier League clubs doing their shopping in the Championship, seriously? Plenty of sacked managers going for nothing. McClaren isn't learning his trade like Rodgers, he's now failed in his last four jobs. I remember when Poyet was appointed, being told to be worried because he was an exciting young manager, one of the best in that division, despite repeatedly pointing out that he hadn't managed to get out of the thing. Any half decent manager at Premier League level should be getting out of that division without a struggle. When tiny clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford are your main competition, or Watford who rattled through four managers, and you're managing a club like Derby who don't even make the play offs, that's not just failure, that's gross negligence somewhere along the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 For every shite season in the Championship, one could point to a league win, trophy or final. That doesn't make him a world beater but in the same breath having failures in the Championship doesn't make him a poor manager either. He's average, we get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Free flowing attacking football, blimey. His only Premier League job saw him play exclusively turgid negative stuff. People seem to be forgetting that you can't get out of the Championship trying not to get beat every week. His remit here will be to finish in mid-table, no better, no worse. The idea of him taking that remit and not going back to what did the same job for him in the past is, imo, a fantasy. Are you still pretending he was crap for boro? Because your "friends" told you this. I work with a boro fan and he is the greatest manager in their history. Doesn't mean I want him but don't change history. "Friends" I grew up in that neck of the woods. I didn't say he was crap for them, I said they fucking hated him because what they watched every week was disgracefully negative, which is absolutely true. Any Boro fan who tells you that he was popular by the end is a liar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 He was a massive success for them as he was in Holland. These two things balance out the shite in the Championship. He's average. Better than Pardew IMO but average. I don't see the need for much debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I've just had a vivid flashback of Wullie's Boro supporting housemate. I remember he was calling Aliadiere by the name 'Hardly ever there' and was inordinately pleased with himself for coming up with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Anyway, this is the absolute dream appointment for Ashley. Will like working with Carr, will be grateful that he has been given a job he really shouldn't have and probably won't get us relegated or into Europe. No wonder they went back in after he told them to fuck off twice, the second time in a completely humiliating fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Could kind of accept McClaren if he brought in his own staff. However, McClaren with Carver, Woodman and Stone. Eurgh. This is the second worst case scenario, obviously Carver full time was worst. Surely the three musketeers can't be on that much? The money we saved not paying compensation for McClaren should be used to terminate their poxy 8 year deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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