Wallace Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Unless the club change the way they pay for transfers, I can't see things changing too much. Whilst it is admirable to pay the transfer fee for a player up front, if no-one else is doing it then it puts us at a disadvantage. For example, we could never afford to sign Lukaku like Everton because that would clear our budget in one go and we are supposed to be a in stronger position financially to Everton. That would not be a problem if the club had managed to get us into a position where we just needed one or two signings but we constantly need to overhaul the squad and need to buy several players and when you factor in that we include wages, then £50m is not going to get you very far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 He'll be lucky to get player sales re-invested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Get French Football @GFN_France 46s47 seconds ago Moussa Sissoko on Steve McClaren: "I don't know who this manager is." :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Why can't we appoint someone that would actually excite? Just for once in every.. 20 years or so. Getting someone who just got sacked from Championship club is something that you can only expect from Newcastle in Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TCD23 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Why can't we appoint someone that would actually excite? Just for once in every.. 20 years or so. Getting someone who just got sacked from Championship club is something that you can only expect from Newcastle in Premier League. Last time around we got someone who was sacked from a league one club! Maybe in five years time we'll get somebody recently sacked from a PL club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Being just above average is the worst we could hope for. Best case scenario is a serious manager. Second best case was Carver. If you believe in the scorched earth policy of getting Ashley out then yep, you're right. Not sure everyone failing as quickly as possible is really the answer, but then again I don't know what is. At 17th we had him squirming on Sky TV. Had we been 11th would we have put the pressure on him? I know what you're saying, I don't disagree really. But he squirmed on TV and then he didn't change his approach at all... or at least not by very much. It's quite hard to muster a debate on this because I don't want Carver, don't have any feelings about McClaren and I have no idea whether relegation would make Ashley more likely to sell. Not sure I can be bothered to form opinions beyond that! This is what I was wondering about: what is the absolute best case for hiring McClaren? For Ashley, and for the fans? Ashley is easy - we know he wants 17th and anything above that is a bonus because of prize money based on league position, but don't place in the Euro spots. But what is the absolute best case scenario for fans with the McClaren appointment? Even with God managing us, we're not going to place in the Champions League (things have changed since Pardew nearly snuck in re squad quality and depth). Winning more than we lose, playing good football - a 90 good minutes on a Saturday here and there - is that as good as it gets for us? If the best case is 6th-8th, are we happy with that if it means Ashley in perpetuity (with all that entails)? Because I'm fond of what has been quaintly described as the "scorched earth" policy - McClaren rejecting us, Carver appointed, consecutive relegations, players refusing to sign for us because there's no soul or heart or even any fucking point to the club - until Ashley jacks it in and we can rebuild from wherever we find ourselves. I think that's a realistic scenario, and better than everything going perfectly for McClaren, doing the absolute best that he can... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I'm not super against this or anything, but fuck me is it uninspiring. Better than our last four or five managers but this is just boooorrriinnnggg. I was hoping for a bit of excitement. Business as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I'm not super against this or anything, but f*** me is it uninspiring. Better than our last four or five managers but this is just boooorrriinnnggg. I was hoping for a bit of excitement. Business as usual. This to be fair... it is the last thing the fans, players and city needs. I guess whats key is that he will work well in our system because he and carr are pals. Plus we save money on having to give him a club tie.. http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/steve.gif-451916.jpg Sack off Carver, Stone and let Woodman go to Palace.. bring in Steele, Round and Clark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Quique Sanchez Flores? Never heard of him? I'm sure lots of people only think a manager is any good if he's got a foreign sounding name. Quique Sanchez Flores. I call him Camilla Parker Bowles.. Not to his face. Not cos I'm scared of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being shite. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. Because people would know less about him and the unknown offers a little excitement. But we do know about McClaren and his very mixed management record and the poor quality of football he has historically employed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Flores is a keep things organized and let the guys upfront come up with something kinda manager. He's hardly a terrible manager, but nothing too exciting. People remember how he won the EL with Atlético - which was a big deal for them - but he got them nowhere near the CL spots in the league. And I'm talking a team that sported a frontline of Agüero and Forlán, easily one of the best in the continent. I think he will be fine for Watford, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. Because people would know less about him and the unknown offers a little excitement. But we do know about McClaren and his very mixed management record and the poor quality of football he has historically employed. Absolutely, I was excited for both Dalglish and Gullit. Look how those turned out. Regards to McClaren's football, did you watch much of Derby last season, or the season before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Quique Sanchez Flores? Never heard of him? I'm sure lots of people only think a manager is any good if he's got a foreign sounding name. Quique Sanchez Flores. I call him Camilla Parker Bowles.. Not to his face. Not cos I'm scared of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newintoon Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. with a team that was expected to flirt with relegation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, same with Jémez. You can't take results on isolation without looking at the team's squad and expectations. By the same account, I can't judge McClaren's Derby stint properly. I honestly care way too little about the C'ship to know whether Derby's squad merited better than 8th place or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. with a team that was expected to flirt with relegation Exactly, league position and league is irrelevant in isolation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Chronicle saying De Boer wanted to talk to newcastle. Yet we still went with McClaren. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Chronicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Foreign names are more exiting because people tend not to know as much about them if we've never seen them in this league. Everyone knows McClaren, he's fucking boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Chronicle. That's what I said. Well done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. He has achieved higher than expected. Not failed and sacked at a team thought to be best in that league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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