Steve McClaren

[Guest firetotheworks]

 

 

He's not worse than Pardew like. Or at the very least, he doesn't have the quality of players that Pardew had in order to make a comparison like for like. I still think McClaren's s***, but the players Pardew had were far, far better throughout.

Towards the end of Pardew's reign the players were fairly similar in quality

 

I disagree, mainly because we had Remy, we replaced Debuchy with Janmaat and we sold MYM and HBA by choice and they weren't being played anyway. Even so our form was still s***. The point is that when our team was filled with a lot of quality, we played badly and got s*** results.

no we didnt.

 

Yep. My mistake. The point still stands though. We still had far more quality than we do now (HBA, Santon and MYM were available to him) and even if you think that both teams were comparable in quality, Pardew's results were no better.

 

Last season we didn't have any of those players lol. Santon was "injured" then sold in January. We where 10th with something like 26/27 points at this very stage last season. SMC has done noticeably worse with a better squad.

 

We did have those players. Santon was injured, granted, but Pardew also still had HBA and MYM, who he chose not to play. Honestly I cba tbh, you're a fucking waste of time.

[Unbelievable]

HBA was at Hull for the first half of last season wasn't he? It was the club's own decision to get rid, so no sympathy, but he wasn't physically available to Pardew.

[Guest firetotheworks]

The possession shit was awful anyway. Fuck possession. I like attacking football. SMC has never been an attacking football manager.

 

Thanks again for this remarkably enlightening information that absolutely noone on here other than you knew.

[triggs]

The possession shit was awful anyway. Fuck possession. I like attacking football. SMC has never been an attacking football manager.

 

Thanks again for this remarkably enlightening information that absolutely noone on here other than you knew.

Ian W was saying the possession style we played would eventually come good tbf

[Guest firetotheworks]

I was referring to the last sentence.

[The College Dropout]

The possession s*** was awful anyway. f*** possession. I like attacking football. SMC has never been an attacking football manager.

 

Thanks again for this remarkably enlightening information that absolutely noone on here other than you knew.

Ian W was saying the possession style we played would eventually come good tbf

 

Others have spoken about how it was "progress". Now and at the time.

 

It was shit.

[The College Dropout]

 

 

He's not worse than Pardew like. Or at the very least, he doesn't have the quality of players that Pardew had in order to make a comparison like for like. I still think McClaren's s***, but the players Pardew had were far, far better throughout.

Towards the end of Pardew's reign the players were fairly similar in quality

 

I disagree, mainly because we had Remy, we replaced Debuchy with Janmaat and we sold MYM and HBA by choice and they weren't being played anyway. Even so our form was still s***. The point is that when our team was filled with a lot of quality, we played badly and got s*** results.

no we didnt.

 

Yep. My mistake. The point still stands though. We still had far more quality than we do now (HBA, Santon and MYM were available to him) and even if you think that both teams were comparable in quality, Pardew's results were no better.

 

Last season we didn't have any of those players lol. Santon was "injured" then sold in January. We where 10th with something like 26/27 points at this very stage last season. SMC has done noticeably worse with a better squad.

 

We did have those players. Santon was injured, granted, but Pardew also still had HBA and MYM, who he chose not to play. Honestly I cba tbh, you're a f***ing waste of time.

 

Erm HBA was at Hull... then at home. MYM was at Roma.

[Elliottman]

The possession s*** was awful anyway. f*** possession. I like attacking football. SMC has never been an attacking football manager.

 

Thanks again for this remarkably enlightening information that absolutely noone on here other than you knew.

 

come on K.I Lad. some of the absolute dross that's posted on here (myself included) and you pull him up on that. Harsh.

[Parky]

Let's face it out four main buys were all gambles. Luckily 2 out of the four have worked out and it would have been nothing short of a miracle if Mitro had hit the ground running - a 21yr old from another league who in any other PL side would have been given a season to bed in and learn the PL. I think even the likes of Origie who are starting to come through have been here 2 years. The bottom line is that we're not buying with squad building in mind but future profit on player sales. This would have already killed this club but for huge chunks of luck and a couple of winning runs out of nowhere..

 

One thing I noted was McC said that he had been scouting Thauvin in the past and knew what kind of player he was etc...Doesn't bode well reg his judgement. Wingers without pace and physicality don't get very far in the PL. Might turn out to be a good squad player in time but not the stuff marquee buys are made of...Players who can turn a game etc..

[Collage]

Wouldn't call Wijnaldum a gamble. Highly rated and could have gone to one of the top clubs.

[Parky]

Wouldn't call Wijnaldum a gamble. Highly rated and could have gone to one of the top clubs.

 

Gone missing in plenty of games already. But I agree in the sense that he has a solid pedigree. Probably not his fault as he isn't really a left sided forward/wing...

 

The last window was the one where the real issues should have been fixed. A quality CD ideally PL and a quality striker to replace the waning and want away Cisse. Mitro has too much on his shoulders. I don't really understand what they are doing or if McC came too late to the table and the deals were already in the pipe. He doesn't have the CM's to play an authoritative possession game. And he doesn't have the forwards to play a counter attacking game. So we're essentially playing the sit deep and hope Pardew game with a bit more passing.

 

iirc we were linked with one of the Watford strikers, Berahino and Austin and we ended up with a 21yr old rookie with no pace and a dodgy attitude. 

 

The club is absolutely fucked fucko and we will go down without a massive spend in Jan or a new manager. Nailed on.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Tbh the window just gone isn't the reason we are in this shit and neither is the players that were brought in, it's all the shite that happened before. You could handpick 4 suitable players instead of Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Thauvin and Mitrovic yourself and i doubt it would have gone any better, the issue is the rest of the crap around them in the squad and none of them are good enough.

[Parky]

Tbh the window just gone isn't the reason we are in this shit and neither is the players that were brought in, it's all the shite that happened before. You could handpick 4 suitable players instead of Mbemba, Wijnaldum, Thauvin and Mitrovic yourself and i doubt it would have gone any better, the issue is the rest of the crap around them in the squad and none of them are good enough.

 

True. Dummet, Colo, Anita, Colback, Tiote, One Lung all need replacing. 

 

I don't even think we have dedicated def and striker coaches...Just McC and those other two selling New Age positivity and psychoanalysis. Reading to them at night out of books about the power of crystals and tamagochi.

[astraguy]

Can't believe this fool is still in charge  Club will never fucking learn

[ExiledGeordie]

 

Taking us down......

[Heron]

Tbh 90% of the managers who would want to manage us under Ashley would have failed equally. The Ashley poison is so deep rooted it's now in the dressing room and changes are required from top to bottom. Relegation will initiate a clear out of the bottom, staying down will hopefully initiate a clear out at the top. Such a shame that this is what it will take for us to rid NUFC of this cancer

[Guest Howaythetoon]

No manager with ambitions would ever come near us. We would get a Curbishley or someone from the lower leagues.

[Heron]

I don't really want to get into hounding McClaren out 'cause for me, we did that with Pardew and we got Carver. The cunt at the top is the issue. I doubt we'll get owt better than McClaren now whilst Fatty McTwatty is the owner

[Darth Crooks]

FattyMcTwattyOut.com

[Heron]

[mrmojorisin75]

I don't really want to get into hounding McClaren out 'cause for me, we did that with Pardew and we got Carver. The cunt at the top is the issue. I doubt we'll get owt better than McClaren now whilst Fatty McTwatty is the owner

Hm. There comes a point, as there did with Pardew, that a manager's shitness can not and no longer should be tolerated regardless of the consequences of ousting him.

 

I'd say McClaren isn't miles away from that, a couple of heavy defeats in the next few games Inc a cup exit and he's got to go.

[Mattoon]

I don't really want to get into hounding McClaren out 'cause for me, we did that with Pardew and we got Carver. The cunt at the top is the issue. I doubt we'll get owt better than McClaren now whilst Fatty McTwatty is the owner

Hm. There comes a point, as there did with Pardew, that a manager's shitness can not and no longer should be tolerated regardless of the consequences of ousting him.

 

I'd say McClaren isn't miles away from that, a couple of heavy defeats in the next few games Inc a cup exit and he's got to go.

 

There are varying degrees of shit and until Ashley goes we will always be shit it's just once a manager reaches a certain point you're just flogging a dead horse into oblivion. As you say a few more heavy defeats and out of the cup at the first hurdle and you've got to think we'd be better off without him.

[Darth Crooks]

I don't really want to get into hounding McClaren out 'cause for me, we did that with Pardew and we got Carver. The cunt at the top is the issue. I doubt we'll get owt better than McClaren now whilst Fatty McTwatty is the owner

Hm. There comes a point, as there did with Pardew, that a manager's shitness can not and no longer should be tolerated regardless of the consequences of ousting him.

 

I'd say McClaren isn't miles away from that, a couple of heavy defeats in the next few games Inc a cup exit and he's got to go.

 

There are varying degrees of shit and until Ashley goes we will always be shit it's just once a manager reaches a certain point you're just flogging a dead horse into oblivion. As you say a few more heavy defeats and out of the cup at the first hurdle and you've got to think we'd be better off without him.

 

thing is for me, that Pardew wasn't just shit, he was a facilitator. He was extremely good at deflecting attention from Ashley and spinning PR for him. As soon as he went the attention turned to Ashley, which is what was needed.

 

Booyah.

[xLiaaamx]

Why hasn't he used a 433 yet? All of our best results from the last 5 years have come with that shape. If we aren't going to sign a new midfielder it has to be a Sissoko-Anita-Wijnaldum middle 3

[TRon]

Let's face it out four main buys were all gambles. Luckily 2 out of the four have worked out and it would have been nothing short of a miracle if Mitro had hit the ground running - a 21yr old from another league who in any other PL side would have been given a season to bed in and learn the PL. I think even the likes of Origie who are starting to come through have been here 2 years. The bottom line is that we're not buying with squad building in mind but future profit on player sales. This would have already killed this club but for huge chunks of luck and a couple of winning runs out of nowhere..

 

One thing I noted was McC said that he had been scouting Thauvin in the past and knew what kind of player he was etc...Doesn't bode well reg his judgement. Wingers without pace and physicality don't get very far in the PL. Might turn out to be a good squad player in time but not the stuff marquee buys are made of...Players who can turn a game etc..

 

I don't think the four buys in the summer are necessarily bad players, I just think that it is asking a lot to introduce a bunch of foreign youngsters and expect them to hit the ground running in the premier league. Even Thauvin could come good given a season of experience in English football. If the spine of the team is solid then you can throw in the odd promising 21 year old around it. But we have reserve goalkeepers in goal for the season, lack of command in central defence, a shit left back, and two central midfielders who are easily overwhelmed. These are positions which demand experience and physical attributes.