Steve McClaren

[The College Dropout]

We knocked out long as owt against Liverpool and Spurs.  Aye in those first games we tried to play football but it was slow, ineffective and frankly woeful.  I like that Leicester City rock and roll football personally.

[Parsley]

The better football craic is weak imo. We are rock bottom of shot attempts aren't we? 6 away goals all season. Think we looked very good against WBA but that was down to Shelvey picking out great passes consistently more than anything.

18th according to Whoscored for shots per game - ahead of Sunderland and WBA. 12th for shots on target.

[54]

That was worse than anything you saw us do under Pardew? What?

 

That 3 - 0 defeat which could have been at least 8 or 9 oh yes it was. That was one of the worst performance from a Newcastle team I have seen in over 40 year of watching

This is utter f***ing bullshit, we have never reached those depths this season in terms of attacking endeavour. I feel like I wasted 4 years of my life watching that negative speculative s**** every week, not one performance this season comes close to Pardew's worst in that respect. Even Palace.

 

In your opinion fine but then again I'm in the opinion you're talking bullshit also. But each to their own we all have opinions let's just wait until the end of the season. I think both are utter cretins as managers but in my opinion McClaren is worse and I'll argue all day and night about that but as I said you are entitled to your opinion as are others and let's just see what the rest of this season brings.

 

I thought Everton was absolutely rancid.  Up there with some of the dross served up by his predecessors, Carver and Pardew.  But McClaren worse than Pardew?  Nah.  I'm not having that. 

 

A new poll is needed!!

 

Let's just wait until the end of the season and see if we make double figures on away goals scored first - as I said time will tell I will leave it at that for now.

 

I don't need time or stats to see that we've already been trying to play a better kind of Football under McClaren and in some games have played far better than we ever did under Pardew.

 

This is true but some games have still been absolute rank, ultimately I think we would have had more points under Pardew when he left we were 10th on 27 points after 20 games,

this season we have played 25 and only have 24 pts and that's before all the money spent in the summer. McClarens football is unquestionably better and far more positive but hes not getting enough results and unless he goes on a good run and finishes midtable we need to get rid in the summer.

Personally I'd rather have less points and enjoy watching football, then have more and it be utter dire.

[Teasy]

 

 

This is true but some games have still been absolute rank, ultimately I think we would have had more points under Pardew when he left we were 10th on 27 points after 20 games,

this season we have played 25 and only have 24 pts and that's before all the money spent in the summer. McClarens football is unquestionably better and far more positive but hes not getting enough results and unless he goes on a good run and finishes midtable we need to get rid in the summer.

 

Absolutely the points total so far is shit of course.  Though since our first win (9 games in) our points per game is almost the same as the first 20 games last season (1.24 vs 1.35).  We're really suffering from that horrendous start.  I'm sure Pardew wouldn't have tried to change our style of Football (obviously because in his eyes everything was perfect..) and so would have gotten more than 3 points from our first 8 games.  So yeah we would have had more points at this stage IMO, probably somewhere around where Palace are.  Then again we'd probably have ended up hitting the same kind of winless run Palace are on now.

 

Plus I'd already have stopped watching Newcastle and Football in general at that stage with Pardew still in charge so I wouldn't give a shit where we were (so glad he's gone!! ).

[Teasy]

There's been more than a couple absolutely abhorrent displays this season, where I've wondered how we are ever going to stand a chance of survival, with a high percentage of players patently not giving a s****. Other defeats have simply been a case of us being fairly s*** and which, though worrying, tend not to have me convinced there's no way out of it.

 

The defeats in quick succession to West Ham (a), Watford (h) and Leicester (h) were as bad as it ever was under Pardew or Carver.

 

Games like that are an afterglow, though. Not entirely McClaren's making.

 

That's my view on it. Every club going have a shocker now and again, early on there were signs of a gameplan but to change the players' mentality after what they've had the last couple of years was always going to happen.

 

Games like Everton were abysmal this season but we've had games like that even when we were good. I don't think we'll ever be a world beater under McClaren but I think we'll eventually become a fair team trying to play the right way hovering in mid-table. Not the 'Pardew' way of getting that, far easier on the eye which we've seen signs of this season (Southampton, Norwich, Stoke, West Ham, Liverpool & West Brom at home we played very well imo).

 

Still not good enough for where we should be, but the McClaren/Pardew argument is crazy, he's better than him.

 

In terms of results he certainly isn't but as I said let's just see if we are even a premiership club at the end of the season first. It's easy to pick the odd game also I could say the Man Utd 3 - 0, the Stoke 3 - 0, the Chelsea 3 - 2, the Chelsea 2 - 0 , the Man City 2 -0 were better than anything you have listed above. Everyone is entitled to gheir opinion and I'm going to leave it now and wait until the end of the season. It's funny that there is an argument as to who is the better manager when both are totally rancid mind. Wait and see that's my last word on the subject until May :-)

 

No, see that's what we need to wait to see, it'll take more games to make any kind of accurate comparison on results.  What we don't need to wait to see is the kind of Football both managers try to play, its already obvious that McClaren is better in that regard.

 

Nah not having that mind he asked for 10, 12, 15 the cups and he is still going on about things getting better as I said wait till May and let's see no use going on about it reall you have your view I have minre let's see if we are even in the premiership first.

 

Not bothered what he asked for like.  Fact is comparing a manager after 25 games to one that was here 185 games and coming to a definitive conclusion on which produces better results isn't very accurate.

 

All we can see for sure right now is that McClaren tries to get his sides to play better Football and isn't human garbage.  Everything else is up in the air.  I'll freely admit I'm not certain which manager will get better results long term.  I think McClaren will (if their's a god he will ) but I'm not certain at all.

[mrmojorisin75]

TCD arguing we don't play better football then brings out a stat. To anyone with eyes the football is better than it was under Pardew, that's not even a question.

[gazza ladra]

The football is better than it was under Pardew and he's not a complete ass. That's not saying much.

 

Still, Souness made Roeder look good.

[Darth Crooks]

I can see why somebody is saying he's better. Don't agree with it but it's the kick in the bollocks or a poke in the siem isn't it?

[Teasy]

More like a punch in the face vs having your balls squeezed in a clamp until they pop.

[The College Dropout]

TCD arguing we don't play better football then brings out a stat. To anyone with eyes the football is better than it was under Pardew, that's not even a question.

had this discussion loads but that football at the beginning of the season was shit to me. We never looked like scoring. Since we've been more direct.  Against Wham we looked very good tho.

[Mattoon]

The points on the board is what matters as far as league position are concerned, however we are playing better and we're not getting completely spanked on a regular basis, the main worry being the inability to score and put games to bed. Undoubtedly, bar a hand full of games we've played much better and more positive football and my eyes don't bleed watching us.

 

The main point being, McClaren isn't the answer and he's not a good manager, but he has been tolerable and I'm not cheering on the other team anymore, I'm not willing us to lose, that's light years away from where I was as a supporter under Pardew and in that respect, yes McClaren is better.

 

We're going in the right direction and I feel like though it's 2 steps forward 1 back we are making slow progress, no that's not good enough when you've had £80m pumped into the team but years of neglect and patching up holes has got us here which isn't totally McClaren's fault. We need results and we need them now, I just hope we don't run out of games before we start to find the form we need.

[mrmojorisin75]

TCD arguing we don't play better football then brings out a stat. To anyone with eyes the football is better than it was under Pardew, that's not even a question.

had this discussion loads but that football at the beginning of the season was shit to me. We never looked like scoring. Since we've been more direct.  Against Wham we looked very good tho.

Last two home games have had better football than I ever saw under Pardew. I think that is only likely to get better as well if we stay up.

 

I'm not really arguing about the early stuff now, he was trying to do something but it was totally ineffective yeah.

[Teasy]

Definitely seen progress at home, both Football and result wise (3 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss from the last 6 home games).  Its the away form that just isn't improving.  Really hope McClaren stops pissing about with the team selection in away games (3 at the back ect) because I think that's costing us.

[Nobody]

Big part of the reason we are still as shite as we are is because of Pardew, let's not forget that. He made sure we got rid of Ben Arfa and MYM, and Santon to a degree. The only one of those three that we have replaced is MYM, but that money should have been spent on a partner to him, not his replacement.

On top of that you have the players that were more or less ruined by him as well, which we can see takes some time to recover from.

[mrmojorisin75]

Big part of the reason we are still as shite as we are is because of Pardew, let's not forget that. He made sure we got rid of Ben Arfa and MYM, and Santon to a degree. The only one of those three that we have replaced is MYM, but that money should have been spent on a partner to him, not his replacement.

On top of that you have the players that were more or less ruined by him as well, which we can see takes some time to recover from.

 

and don't forget how hard he'll (pardew) have pushed for geordie jack, who has been a massive reason for us being utter shite this season, albeit mcclaren is ultimately to blame for that as well

[mozy]

More like McClaren has given him 6 months, realised he's at best a very limited player and instantly brought in alternative / better players.

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

More like McClaren has given him 6 months, realised he's at best a very limited player and instantly brought in alternative / better players.

 

 

 

we'll see, hopefully, but he still has no excuses playing him the amount he did considering how ineffectual he was and how much we actually lost

[lovejoy]

More like McClaren has given him 6 months, realised he's at best a very limited player and instantly brought in alternative / better players.

 

 

 

I hope you're right, not sure myself.

[mrmojorisin75]

More like McClaren has given him 6 months, realised he's at best a very limited player and instantly brought in alternative / better players.

 

 

 

I hope you're right, not sure myself.

I think his preferred partnership still be Shelvey and Colback, all inglish. Really, really hope I'm wrong mind.

[mrmojorisin75]

Actually I suspect he'll secretly be creaming himself at the prospect of being able to field Elliot, Dummett, Taylor, Shelvey, Colback and Townsend at the same time[emoji38]

Living Pardew's dream.

[Lush Vlad]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/daryl-janmaat-says-56-shots-10853918

 

Seeing as TCD loves stats so much, I found this interesting.  Although I don't really use how many shots we've had, as evidence that we haven't played any good football this year

 

Please carry on using shots at goal and our early season form, where McClaren was still figuring things out, as a valid argument

 

Our away form is absolutely pathetic and McClaren needs to grow a pair.  We are like a totally different team when we're not at SJP.  Nobody can really argue against that and I don't think anyone is.  Despite not liking McClaren, or wanting him.  I still think there are far more obvious signs of a long term plan and strategy.  As opposed to Pardew, where I couldn't even tell you what our tactics or plan was most of the time. 

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

The football is definitely better there's no doubt about that, if we had started the season with the squad we have now we would be well out of danger, I fear any progress we're making now is too late though and our points haul is too small to stay up without it maybe going down to the last game again at best.

 

I think if we were to stay up and keep McClaren, and provided we brought in more reinforcements in summer and didn't lose our better players, we would kick on a bit next season, but still don't think hes the right man if we want to get up challenging for the top 6-7 spots.

[The College Dropout]

TCD arguing we don't play better football then brings out a stat. To anyone with eyes the football is better than it was under Pardew, that's not even a question.

had this discussion loads but that football at the beginning of the season was s*** to me. We never looked like scoring. Since we've been more direct.  Against Wham we looked very good tho.

Last two home games have had better football than I ever saw under Pardew. I think that is only likely to get better as well if we stay up.

 

I'm not really arguing about the early stuff now, he was trying to do something but it was totally ineffective yeah.

Very pleased with the home performances recently. WHU especially. But down that spine we have better ball-playing and hold up individuals than we've had in a long time. Chancel - Colo - Shelvey - Wij - Perez - Mitro. Not sure how much credit SMC gets.

[Incognito]

TCD arguing we don't play better football then brings out a stat. To anyone with eyes the football is better than it was under Pardew, that's not even a question.

had this discussion loads but that football at the beginning of the season was s*** to me. We never looked like scoring. Since we've been more direct.  Against Wham we looked very good tho.

Last two home games have had better football than I ever saw under Pardew. I think that is only likely to get better as well if we stay up.

 

I'm not really arguing about the early stuff now, he was trying to do something but it was totally ineffective yeah.

Very pleased with the home performances recently. WHU especially. But down that spine we have better ball-playing and hold up individuals than we've had in a long time. Chancel - Colo - Shelvey - Wij - Perez - Mitro. Not sure how much credit SMC gets.

A whole lot more than Pardew, which was the original point.

[Lush Vlad]

TCD arguing we don't play better football then brings out a stat. To anyone with eyes the football is better than it was under Pardew, that's not even a question.

had this discussion loads but that football at the beginning of the season was s*** to me. We never looked like scoring. Since we've been more direct.  Against Wham we looked very good tho.

Last two home games have had better football than I ever saw under Pardew. I think that is only likely to get better as well if we stay up.

 

I'm not really arguing about the early stuff now, he was trying to do something but it was totally ineffective yeah.

Very pleased with the home performances recently. WHU especially. But down that spine we have better ball-playing and hold up individuals than we've had in a long time. Chancel - Colo - Shelvey - Wij - Perez - Mitro. Not sure how much credit SMC gets.

 

It's almost as if you have forgotten some of the great players Pardew had at his disposal.  Some that he totally misused and some he ended up freezing out the team.