Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 How much did Chelsea pay for that big German bloke who's been absolutely outatanding for the last 5 months since he came back from injury? Your point being? I would say there is a significant difference in ambition between signing Germany's best player over the last decade and a mid 20's Argentina fringe player. How many times do I/we need to say: it's not about the price of this particular player, it's about a) the level of ambition shown with this transfer and b) our continued underspending on the playing staff. Shall I remind people of our playing staff enforcements in the January transfer window when we were in dire need of some reinforcements: a couple of youngsters and the world renowned Lamine Diatta, whom we've already let go (panic buying anybody?). In the last summer window our income from transfers was higher than our spending. This summer, I hope there will be no hiding place, because this squad can't afford to be further weakened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 How much did Chelsea pay for that big German bloke who's been absolutely outatanding for the last 5 months since he came back from injury? Your point being? I would say there is a significant difference in ambition between signing Germany's best player over the last decade and a mid 20's Argentina fringe player. How many times do I/we need to say: it's not about the price of this particular player, it's about a) the level of ambition shown with this transfer and b) our continued underspending on the playing staff. Shall I remind people of our playing staff enforcements in the January transfer window when we were in dire need of some reinforcements: a couple of youngsters and the world renowned Lamine Diatta, whom we've already let go (panic buying anybody?). In the last summer window our income from transfers was higher than our spending. This summer, I hope there will be no hiding place, because this squad can't afford to be further weakened. You're making a fool of yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 How much did Chelsea pay for that big German bloke who's been absolutely outatanding for the last 5 months since he came back from injury? Your point being? I would say there is a significant difference in ambition between signing Germany's best player over the last decade and a mid 20's Argentina fringe player. How many times do I/we need to say: it's not about the price of this particular player, it's about a) the level of ambition shown with this transfer and b) our continued underspending on the playing staff. Shall I remind people of our playing staff enforcements in the January transfer window when we were in dire need of some reinforcements: a couple of youngsters and the world renowned Lamine Diatta, whom we've already let go (panic buying anybody?). In the last summer window our income from transfers was higher than our spending. This summer, I hope there will be no hiding place, because this squad can't afford to be further weakened. You're making a fool of yourself. His concerns aren't totally unfounded but I wish he would stop being so hysterical. It really does seem too much to ask for people to wait and see instead of complaining endlessly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 How much did Chelsea pay for that big German bloke who's been absolutely outatanding for the last 5 months since he came back from injury? Your point being? I would say there is a significant difference in ambition between signing Germany's best player over the last decade and a mid 20's Argentina fringe player. How many times do I/we need to say: it's not about the price of this particular player, it's about a) the level of ambition shown with this transfer and b) our continued underspending on the playing staff. Shall I remind people of our playing staff enforcements in the January transfer window when we were in dire need of some reinforcements: a couple of youngsters and the world renowned Lamine Diatta, whom we've already let go (panic buying anybody?). In the last summer window our income from transfers was higher than our spending. This summer, I hope there will be no hiding place, because this squad can't afford to be further weakened. You're making a fool of yourself. How's that? We failed to reinforce the defense and midfield in the January window (failing to land Woodgate) even though this was critical at the time, so took a player on a 3 month contract in February after the end of the transfer window (like we did with Bernard earlier). Said player has barely featured and already left, so we are back were we started. The very definition of panic buying if you ask me. Or do you believe this is genuinely a sign of an ambitious long term vision? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 And people are wonder what why the media slate us for being impatient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 We've bought a current Argentine International - positive and fact We've bid a club record amount for a player - positive and fact Why are people being so negative? People are so negative because as keegan said, we need atleast 4 players to go straight in to the starting 11. We have gotten one now, and we seriously need creativity on our central midfield. We have now lost emre, barton is in jail, so we are left with Smith, Geremi, and butt as our only natural players in central mid. We got zoggy and Milner who can play in the middle, but is better of playing out wide. If one of our 4 backs get injured, we only have Cacapa and David Edgar to come in for them. We are currently playing with 3 strikers, and we only have 3 decent strikers, which one of them is injured half of the season. Is given/harper good enough to be our goalies? We have krul who is up and comming, but i would personal love if we went for that russian goalie. We have a thin squad, and we have gotten rid of more players than we have bought. Well enough about that.. Jonas Gutierrez is a player many of us dont know about, that is why we are concerned. He doesnt have a good goalscoring record, or assist record. Personally i think we should have gotten a central midfield player, but maybe keegan is thinking of using him as a wingstriker up front, or going back to 4-4-2. Is anyone suggesting that the current squad is sufficient for the season ahead? We still have plenty of time to get players in......how many clubs have signed loads of players so far? We won't know till the transfer window shuts whether the effort that will be going on behind the scenes is good enough. Personally I am not going to get upset about who we haven't signed a week into the transfer window..... If you look at the top 8, they all have larger squads than us. They are most likely to buy squad player, and maybe one world class player to make them better. We had a small squad last season, and we have gotten rid the likes of Emre(was considered 1st team player when he wasnt injured) and Rozenhal(was 1st team player at the start of the season, and I rate him higher than Cacapa). We have gotten one player in, and he isnt a MC or a DC. We need like Keegan said 4 players to walk straight in to the 1st team, but we also lack squad players. If we buy like 8 players in this transfer window, we will still have a small squad. I dont know what our ambition is for next season, but i think we should aim for a uefa cup spot atleast. Then we need players in quick, because they need to know each other to play good. If we sign a player in middle the start of august, he will have like 20 days to get to know the other players on the pitch. And would most likely look like Luque when the season starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Damn you, next word prediction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 How much did Chelsea pay for that big German bloke who's been absolutely outatanding for the last 5 months since he came back from injury? Your point being? I would say there is a significant difference in ambition between signing Germany's best player over the last decade and a mid 20's Argentina fringe player. How many times do I/we need to say: it's not about the price of this particular player, it's about a) the level of ambition shown with this transfer and b) our continued underspending on the playing staff. Shall I remind people of our playing staff enforcements in the January transfer window when we were in dire need of some reinforcements: a couple of youngsters and the world renowned Lamine Diatta, whom we've already let go (panic buying anybody?). In the last summer window our income from transfers was higher than our spending. This summer, I hope there will be no hiding place, because this squad can't afford to be further weakened. You're making a fool of yourself. How's that? We failed to reinforce the defense and midfield in the January window (failing to land Woodgate) even though this was critical at the time, so took a player on a 3 month contract in February after the end of the transfer window (like we did with Bernard earlier). Said player has barely featured and already left, so we are back were we started. The very definition of panic buying if you ask me. Or do you believe this is genuinely a sign of an ambitious long term vision? We didn't sign Woodgate, so do you think we should have got no one in at all to carry us over until the summer. Diatta was only ever an extra body, signed on a short term deal to give us a chance to have a good look at other players rather than panic buying and getting someone in without having a good look at them first. I would say getting Diatta in as cover for 3 months was the very opposite of panic buying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 And people are wonder what why the media slate us for being impatient. Dave, serious question: when will you classify this summer transfer period as a success? What positions will need to be filled (first team players or squad strengthening players)? What kind of players should we be looking at (Premiership experience? International experience? From smaller leagues?) What kind of investment in the playing staff do you feel would be sufficient to achieve your aims for next season, and what are those aims..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Those still worried about how our summer is going. Let's look at our European rivals. Newcastle - Signed 1 Tottenham - Signed 3 West ham - Signed 1 - a 17-year old Portsmouth - Signed 1 Man City - Signed 1 Everton - Signed 1 - Player was on loan with them last year anyway Blackburn - Signed 0 Aston Villa - Signed 1 - Player was on loan with them last year anyway So 1 team has signed more players than us. I'd say on that basis we are very much on course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 How much did Chelsea pay for that big German bloke who's been absolutely outatanding for the last 5 months since he came back from injury? Your point being? I would say there is a significant difference in ambition between signing Germany's best player over the last decade and a mid 20's Argentina fringe player. How many times do I/we need to say: it's not about the price of this particular player, it's about a) the level of ambition shown with this transfer and b) our continued underspending on the playing staff. Shall I remind people of our playing staff enforcements in the January transfer window when we were in dire need of some reinforcements: a couple of youngsters and the world renowned Lamine Diatta, whom we've already let go (panic buying anybody?). In the last summer window our income from transfers was higher than our spending. This summer, I hope there will be no hiding place, because this squad can't afford to be further weakened. You're making a fool of yourself. How's that? We failed to reinforce the defense and midfield in the January window (failing to land Woodgate) even though this was critical at the time, so took a player on a 3 month contract in February after the end of the transfer window (like we did with Bernard earlier). Said player has barely featured and already left, so we are back were we started. The very definition of panic buying if you ask me. Or do you believe this is genuinely a sign of an ambitious long term vision? We didn't sign Woodgate, so do you think we should have got no one in at all to carry us over until the summer. Diatta was only ever an extra body, signed on a short term deal to give us a chance to have a good look at other players rather than panic buying and getting someone in without having a good look at them first. I would say getting Diatta in as cover for 3 months was the very opposite of panic buying. What had the club been doing before the Jan transfer window? Plan A failed, and it turned out we had no plan B except signing a player who had never played at the required level as a stop gap. If that's not panic buying I don't know what is.. I am quite obviously not saying we should not have got anybody in, I am saying we should have identified long terms solutions long before the January window opened and acted decisively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Like the club did with Diarra you mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 We've bought a current Argentine International - positive and fact We've bid a club record amount for a player - positive and fact Why are people being so negative? People are so negative because as keegan said, we need atleast 4 players to go straight in to the starting 11. We have gotten one now, and we seriously need creativity on our central midfield. We have now lost emre, barton is in jail, so we are left with Smith, Geremi, and butt as our only natural players in central mid. We got zoggy and Milner who can play in the middle, but is better of playing out wide. If one of our 4 backs get injured, we only have Cacapa and David Edgar to come in for them. We are currently playing with 3 strikers, and we only have 3 decent strikers, which one of them is injured half of the season. Is given/harper good enough to be our goalies? We have krul who is up and comming, but i would personal love if we went for that russian goalie. We have a thin squad, and we have gotten rid of more players than we have bought. Well enough about that.. Jonas Gutierrez is a player many of us dont know about, that is why we are concerned. He doesnt have a good goalscoring record, or assist record. Personally i think we should have gotten a central midfield player, but maybe keegan is thinking of using him as a wingstriker up front, or going back to 4-4-2. Is anyone suggesting that the current squad is sufficient for the season ahead? We still have plenty of time to get players in......how many clubs have signed loads of players so far? We won't know till the transfer window shuts whether the effort that will be going on behind the scenes is good enough. Personally I am not going to get upset about who we haven't signed a week into the transfer window..... If you look at the top 8, they all have larger squads than us. They are most likely to buy squad player, and maybe one world class player to make them better. We had a small squad last season, and we have gotten rid the likes of Emre(was considered 1st team player when he wasnt injured) and Rozenhal(was 1st team player at the start of the season, and I rate him higher than Cacapa). We have gotten one player in, and he isnt a MC or a DC. We need like Keegan said 4 players to walk straight in to the 1st team, but we also lack squad players. If we buy like 8 players in this transfer window, we will still have a small squad. I dont know what our ambition is for next season, but i think we should aim for a uefa cup spot atleast. Then we need players in quick, because they need to know each other to play good. If we sign a player in middle the start of august, he will have like 20 days to get to know the other players on the pitch. And would most likely look like Luque when the season starts. I don't disagree we have a small squad. Ideally we'd get several players in for pre-season but the reality is some will join early and some later in the window. The main thing is to get them in. I don't think this is different to how other clubs operate......in reality we're suffering from the dross we've signed in recent seasons, the squad's needed major surgery and I don't think we're going to fix that in one window, as much as I'd love us to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 If that's not panic buying I don't know what is. Clearly you don't. Panic buying usually involves actually buying something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 How much did Chelsea pay for that big German bloke who's been absolutely outatanding for the last 5 months since he came back from injury? Your point being? I would say there is a significant difference in ambition between signing Germany's best player over the last decade and a mid 20's Argentina fringe player. How many times do I/we need to say: it's not about the price of this particular player, it's about a) the level of ambition shown with this transfer and b) our continued underspending on the playing staff. Shall I remind people of our playing staff enforcements in the January transfer window when we were in dire need of some reinforcements: a couple of youngsters and the world renowned Lamine Diatta, whom we've already let go (panic buying anybody?). In the last summer window our income from transfers was higher than our spending. This summer, I hope there will be no hiding place, because this squad can't afford to be further weakened. You're making a fool of yourself. How's that? We failed to reinforce the defense and midfield in the January window (failing to land Woodgate) even though this was critical at the time, so took a player on a 3 month contract in February after the end of the transfer window (like we did with Bernard earlier). Said player has barely featured and already left, so we are back were we started. The very definition of panic buying if you ask me. Or do you believe this is genuinely a sign of an ambitious long term vision? We didn't sign Woodgate, so do you think we should have got no one in at all to carry us over until the summer. Diatta was only ever an extra body, signed on a short term deal to give us a chance to have a good look at other players rather than panic buying and getting someone in without having a good look at them first. I would say getting Diatta in as cover for 3 months was the very opposite of panic buying. What had the club been doing before the Jan transfer window? Plan A failed, and it turned out we had no plan B except signing a player who had never played at the required level as a stop gap. If that's not panic buying I don't know what is.. I am quite obviously not saying we should not have got anybody in, I am saying we should have identified long terms solutions long before the January window opened and acted decisively. Have you forgotten that we replaced the manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 And people are wonder what why the media slate us for being impatient. And I wonder why you have the rule for trolling when you don't even inforce it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Those still worried about how our summer is going. Let's look at our European rivals. Newcastle - Signed 1 Tottenham - Signed 3 West ham - Signed 1 - a 17-year old Portsmouth - Signed 1 Man City - Signed 1 Everton - Signed 1 - Player was on loan with them last year anyway Blackburn - Signed 0 Aston Villa - Signed 1 - Player was on loan with them last year anyway So 1 team has signed more players than us. I'd say on that basis we are very much on course. Oh yes, let's look at quantity rather than quality. Besides from that, how many players have these clubs let go, and were they as low on quantity as well as quality as us before the window started? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Those still worried about how our summer is going. Let's look at our European rivals. Newcastle - Signed 1 Tottenham - Signed 3 West ham - Signed 1 - a 17-year old Portsmouth - Signed 1 Man City - Signed 1 Everton - Signed 1 - Player was on loan with them last year anyway Blackburn - Signed 0 Aston Villa - Signed 1 - Player was on loan with them last year anyway So 1 team has signed more players than us. I'd say on that basis we are very much on course. Oh yes, let's look at quantity rather than quality. Besides from that, how many players have these clubs let go, and were they as low on quantity as well as quality as us before the window started? And when does the window shut? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 And people are wonder what why the media slate us for being impatient. And I wonder why you have the rule for trolling when you don't even inforce it. What rule is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 So basically it's been like three days since we signed anyone and people are moaning again already. We've had the complete and ultimate proof that the media have NO FUCKING CLUE of what we're doing behind the scenes, and yet people are STILL convinced we're not doing anything. I give up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 And people are wonder what why the media slate us for being impatient. And I wonder why you have the rule for trolling when you don't even inforce it. What rule is that? Must be this one: http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=20035.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 And people are wonder what why the media slate us for being impatient. And I wonder why you have the rule for trolling when you don't even inforce it. What rule is that? Must be this one: http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=20035.0 Can count yourself in on that as well now And my mistake, was sure there was a rule about trolling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 So basically it's been like three days since we signed anyone and people are moaning again already. We've had the complete and ultimate proof that the media have NO FUCKING CLUE of what we're doing behind the scenes, and yet people are STILL convinced we're not doing anything. I give up. No you don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 And people are wonder what why the media slate us for being impatient. And I wonder why you have the rule for trolling when you don't even inforce it. What rule is that? Must be this one: http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=20035.0 Can count yourself in on that as well now And my mistake, was sure there was a rule about trolling. Yeah Dave, ban us all please. The world will be a better place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 So basically it's been like three days since we signed anyone and people are moaning again already. We've had the complete and ultimate proof that the media have NO FUCKING CLUE of what we're doing behind the scenes, and yet people are STILL convinced we're not doing anything. I give up. No you don't. :-[ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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