James Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 It’s West Ham vs Spurs, Pereira was a good appointment for Forest - he would have kept up whichever club goes down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, James said: It’s West Ham vs Spurs, Pereira was a good appointment for Forest - he would have kept up whichever club goes down Apart from Wolves. Who he was manager of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 50 minutes ago, Heron said: I was truly astonished when I watched yous against us like. "Sideways and backwards everywhere we go" was something I was told about but I just thought "Naaa, it cannot be that bad like." Then when I watched I was just like..."this is horrific." Making Tudor manager wasn't the right move and another sign of mismanagement and for me the players all have an air of complacency about them. I know you've had a bad season of injuries but I just struggle to pin it on bad luck personally. I think you're players aren't up for the fight and the chemistry isn't right. I think some of them think they've made it cause they're living the London life and in the big league, at a big club. It's that and some poor on field decision making that is seemingly endemic(?) from bad management above that has developed into a perfect storm for Spurs. Gonna be an interesting few games, as I think De Zerbi will be a decent appointment but it depends how volatile he/it all becomes. It’s all the things. I’m always wary of our fans who complain about players making no effort or being arrogant - or being complacent - because I think it’s usually far more complicated. For example, Bentancur was getting slated early in the season then got injured, but his first game back he was arguably our best player. It’s become clear he was simply being asked to do different things under Frank. I do agree that some players effectively aren’t up for the fight but so many factors set that up - experience, team chemistry, style of play etc. It’s all been a mess. It’s all the things. A poorly-constructed squad is given to a manager with a seemingly diametrically opposite approach to the previous one. That squad, already imbalanced by design, is then further compromised by routinely being short 10 or more players d/t injury. Players are brought in to cover those injuries but you’re starting games with younger players - some from abroad - who ideally you’d be bringing on gradually. And often they’re forced to play out of position because of the squad construction and injuries. It’s all the things. Players don’t gel together because injuries necessitate changes every week, the new manager is trying to install a new system with a changing and inexperienced team that’s shitty anyway and the fans hate it. Eventually it becomes clear that the players do too. They’re playing a style they hate and getting stick from the fans for it which pisses them off even more because they know it’s shit. I’m not trying to pin it on bad luck alone. Bad squad construction, bad management off the pitch, bad coaching on the pitch. Bad injuries aren’t necessarily just bad luck. Bad refereeing too. Refs aren’t corrupt, they just tend to favour certain narratives naturally. They’re influenced by home crowds, they’re reluctant to punish repeated niggly fouls properly, they punish identical fouls differently depending upon the club or the players involved. And as someone said on a podcast the other day, if a team is playing badly and a decision is borderline, or the ref is guessing, it’s more likely to go against them. Kolo Muani blocked a Sunderland pass with his face to put us on the attack, then the ref blew for handball. A total guess, not even close. It wasn’t corruption, he just kinda got carried away with things. Definitely a fascinating finish. I just hope RDZ stays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Fak said: Apart from Wolves. Who he was manager of. I don’t think he was responsible for the Wolves debacle where they sold all the good players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Just now, James said: I don’t think he was responsible for the Wolves debacle where they sold all the good players Good point. Probably the first sensible thing you've said all day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) Pereira is good for a new manager bounce, but his record speaks for itself... Edited April 24 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Unfortunately they've got a guaranteed 3 points today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Just now, Skeletor said: Unfortunately they've got a guaranteed 3 points today. Probably. But then again it's Spurs. And wolves have only pride left to play for, which can galvanise teams weirdly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Unfortunately they've got a guaranteed 3 points today. Not sure about that, depends which Wolves turn up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Just now, The Prophet said: Not sure about that, depends which Wolves turn up. Nah they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Just now, TRC said: Nah they do. I see your game. Agreed, it's nailed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Which Wolves are the ones that can beat them? They've got 17 points. They're dog shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Which Wolves are the ones that can beat them? They've got 17 points. They're dog shit. The ones that recently beat Liverpool and Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Let's hope you're right. Spurs going down would be good for damaging the cartel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 If they manage to lose today I'll swing to them going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Can see Gomes getting a goal against them today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Just now, Menace said: Crumble hopefully in Spuds’ case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Skeletor said: Unfortunately they've got a guaranteed 3 points today. Wolves have won recently at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Can't see beyond West Ham being in the bottom 3 tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyUtd Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Yep, Spurs will stay up imo. They'll get a win somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 6 minutes ago, toon25 said: Can't see beyond West Ham being in the bottom 3 tonight Couldn't see Forest winning 5-0. And yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 In the last 5 matches between them, Wolves have won 3 and there have been 2 draws. 😅 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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