Benwell Lad Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Love it how in "football land" we talk about people earning £20K, £30K a week like they're paupers. I like Carroll and sure he will get what the market is prepared to pay him, but it is clear the club were prepared to review his contract in the summer, so sorry Andy lad, the word is greed and you're just a greedy bastaad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Taken from elsewhere: Hi, I scored 24 goals helping my side win promotion back to the Premier League aged just 22. Then in my first season in the top flight I had bagged an impressive 15 goals by the end of January. Including a goal against the reigning champions, away at Arsenal and in a home win over Liverpool. My form earned me an England call-up and my debut in an international friendly. Am a I £35M striker? No, I am Michael Ricketts - February 2002. While that's a fair point, I am pretty sure Carroll is always going to hold a certain value in the transfer market, just because he is such a menace in the air. He's reasonably quick and has a decent left peg too. I don't think he'll ever be worth more than £35m though. Will he look as good in a team passing on the deck? Liverpool have traditionally never done well with a big target man. The scousers will be calling Dalglish every name under the sun if he turns them into a dour long ball team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Ricketts is looking for a new club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Love it how if "football land" we talk about people earning £20K, £30K a week like they're paupers. I like Carroll and sure he will get what the market is prepared to pay him, but it is clear the club were prepared to review his contract in the summer, so sorry Andy lad, the word is greed and you're just a greedy bastaad. spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 So far he'll have been quietly admired by other fans for the way he plays, and loved by his own fans. Now though, every ground he goes to he's going to get the "What a waste of money" chants and such like, as well has having to step in the shoes of Torres. Can he handle the pressure? We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 50% of a players price tag is all hype it seems sometime, well, most of times. Even more with English players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 i don't usually pay attention to much of what Lee Ryder says but he came out with a good point yesterday, asking how much we'll spend on strikers over the next ten years (ie the time carroll would've been with us)? It'll probably end up over £35m and i wouldn't be surprised if we squandered it all. Similarly, how much have we spent on strikers in the last 10 years only for none of them to be as good as Carroll? Owen £16m, Martins £10.1m, Luque £9m, Bellamy £6m, Xisco £5.7m, Best £1m, Sibierski £0.5m, Zamblera £0.3m. Almost £50m there and only Bellamy represented good business. In fact for Carroll's fee we went out and signed Owen, Martins and Luque. Urgh. I just hope we don't piss this money away on crap as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 i don't usually pay attention to much of what Lee Ryder says but he came out with a good point yesterday, asking how much we'll spend on strikers over the next ten years (ie the time carroll would've been with us)? It'll probably end up over £35m and i wouldn't be surprised if we squandered it all. Similarly, how much have we spent on strikers in the last 10 years only for none of them to be as good as Carroll? Owen £16m, Martins £10.1m, Luque £9m, Bellamy £6m, Xisco £5.7m, Best £1m, Sibierski £0.5m, Zamblera £0.3m. Almost £50m there and only Bellamy represented good business. In fact for Carroll's fee we went out and signed Owen, Martins and Luque. Urgh. I just hope we don't piss this money away on crap as usual. Buying in football always comes with risk and you've mentioned a few belters there, but I would say over the last couple of years we've spent very wisely and got some good value for money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 i don't usually pay attention to much of what Lee Ryder says but he came out with a good point yesterday, asking how much we'll spend on strikers over the next ten years (ie the time carroll would've been with us)? It'll probably end up over £35m and i wouldn't be surprised if we squandered it all. Similarly, how much have we spent on strikers in the last 10 years only for none of them to be as good as Carroll? Owen £16m, Martins £10.1m, Luque £9m, Bellamy £6m, Xisco £5.7m, Best £1m, Sibierski £0.5m, Zamblera £0.3m. Almost £50m there and only Bellamy represented good business. In fact for Carroll's fee we went out and signed Owen, Martins and Luque. Urgh. I just hope we don't piss this money away on crap as usual. sibierski wasn't bas business tbh and best still has time to prove himself decent business Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 i don't usually pay attention to much of what Lee Ryder says but he came out with a good point yesterday, asking how much we'll spend on strikers over the next ten years (ie the time carroll would've been with us)? It'll probably end up over £35m and i wouldn't be surprised if we squandered it all. Similarly, how much have we spent on strikers in the last 10 years only for none of them to be as good as Carroll? Owen £16m, Martins £10.1m, Luque £9m, Bellamy £6m, Xisco £5.7m, Best £1m, Sibierski £0.5m, Zamblera £0.3m. Almost £50m there and only Bellamy represented good business. In fact for Carroll's fee we went out and signed Owen, Martins and Luque. Urgh. I just hope we don't piss this money away on crap as usual. Top strikers are the most valuable commodity in the game, not many can score goals year in year out. It's still to be seen whether Carroll will tbf, although I think he's got enough self belief not to be daunted at Liverpool. Pardew will have his work cut out identifying a replacement within our wage structure though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Oops, wrong thread. Carroll's a dick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 For me, the bottom line is we didn't have to sell now, without a replacement, and jeapodize the whole season. Unlike Liverpool's more professional approach. We should have stood firm and transferred him in the summer, if indeed they felt giving him something in the region he was asking for would have destabilised the club. The fact that he took the money shows that Ashley was always a seller when the price was right, whatever the circumstances. To my mind everything else is just a smokescreen. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley had a cigar on and just got off on screwing as much money out of the deal as possible, sending out a message to his opponents in the business world that he always drives a hard bargain. I can't see that the best interests of the club were ever at the heart of this. Note how Pardew announced he sought assurances about the use of the money, it was not as though he was offered it by a man who had decided this was the best way to take the club forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We should've stand firm and never sold him. Bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Could carrol be great? yes Could he be duff? yes There is risk. Someone is paying £35 mill for that risk. BIG BIG Gamble. David Villa cost less. Rooney cost less. Bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 i don't usually pay attention to much of what Lee Ryder says but he came out with a good point yesterday, asking how much we'll spend on strikers over the next ten years (ie the time carroll would've been with us)? It'll probably end up over £35m and i wouldn't be surprised if we squandered it all. Similarly, how much have we spent on strikers in the last 10 years only for none of them to be as good as Carroll? Owen £16m, Martins £10.1m, Luque £9m, Bellamy £6m, Xisco £5.7m, Best £1m, Sibierski £0.5m, Zamblera £0.3m. Almost £50m there and only Bellamy represented good business. In fact for Carroll's fee we went out and signed Owen, Martins and Luque. Urgh. I just hope we don't piss this money away on crap as usual. Top strikers are the most valuable commodity in the game, not many can score goals year in year out. It's still to be seen whether Carroll will tbf, although I think he's got enough self belief not to be daunted at Liverpool. Pardew will have his work cut out identifying a replacement within our wage structure though. Carroll's out of his comfort zone now, with far more pressure and scrutiny aimed towards him. I also wonder if we didn't just see that extra 10% of effort due to him playing for his boyhood club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still think we shouldve just negotiated his contract. Though the kind of owners that would do that, are the kind of owners id be more likely to trust 35m with also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 hes just an overrated peter crouch......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool's professional approach? Surely the fact Carroll had his head turned suggests him or his agent had been approached before they bid, else he'd have not asked for a new contract and transfer request. Sounds like he was tapped up to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 For me, the bottom line is we didn't have to sell now, without a replacement, and jeapodize the whole season. Unlike Liverpool's more professional approach. We should have stood firm and transferred him in the summer, if indeed they felt giving him something in the region he was asking for would have destabilised the club. The fact that he took the money shows that Ashley was always a seller when the price was right, whatever the circumstances. To my mind everything else is just a smokescreen. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley had a cigar on and just got off on screwing as much money out of the deal as possible, sending out a message to his opponents in the business world that he always drives a hard bargain. I can't see that the best interests of the club were ever at the heart of this. Note how Pardew announced he sought assurances about the use of the money, it was not as though he was offered it by a man who had decided this was the best way to take the club forward. Liverpool's more professional approach? They sold their best striker and gambled massive money on two players with only 6 months premiership experience between them. There's only one thing more risky than us selling Andy Carroll for £35m, and that's them buying him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 .com make a good point. Harry Redknapp, January 17th 2011: "We are nowhere near getting Andy Carroll. How much is he? You are talking £30million to 40million." That was a lucky guess wasn't it? Anyone would think that the loveable old rogue could see into the future... Of course the club never wanted to sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool were definately desperate. We'd likely have not got near 35m in the summer so both sides wanted to push this through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still can't believe the lanky streak of piss that could barely control a football 2 years ago has gone for £35 million. Amazing really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 .com make a good point. Harry Redknapp, January 17th 2011: "We are nowhere near getting Andy Carroll. How much is he? You are talking £30million to 40million." That was a lucky guess wasn't it? Anyone would think that the loveable old rogue could see into the future... Of course the club never wanted to sell him. Think thats whats bugged me the most. The club trying to play the whole "oh poor us how did this happen, cant believe this". When its clearly complete bs. Theres no reason for us to believe that if their valuations for our other players are met at any point they wont just move them on also, but they want us to believe there is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool's professional approach? Surely the fact Carroll had his head turned suggests him or his agent had been approached before they bid, else he'd have not asked for a new contract and transfer request. Sounds like he was tapped up to me. Agree with your points. But was meaning that they put their club's interests first by not selling until they got a replacement in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrEe Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The grass isn't always greener on the other side. With us, our whole game was played to his strenghts, he's a great player, but it's not the end of the world... Look what happend to Owen and Robbie Fowler after they left Liverpool! They would be living legends if they stuck with liverpool, but they sold out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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