Darth Crooks Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 English/British players of a certain age go for stupid money. There's no rhyme or reason in it as far as I can see. I still think 15-17 million is ridiculous that said. He's no Jordan Henderson after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Who though? You can't just say "who though?". The club will obviously have a list of well scouted players who they'd want who most of us haven't heard of or haven't seen much of. Carroll being asked to pick up where he left off with us is as much of, if not more of, a risk than us signing an "unknown" from abroad. If someone says there are much better players around for £15 million, their argument somewhat flounders if they can't actually name a better player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Porn Dwarf and Mr Tumnus have a long record of shit like this in the name of publicity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's fucking mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I don't think Carroll is useless or a laughing stock. Liverpool are the laughing stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Who though? You can't just say "who though?". The club will obviously have a list of well scouted players who they'd want who most of us haven't heard of or haven't seen much of. Carroll being asked to pick up where he left off with us is as much of, if not more of, a risk than us signing an "unknown" from abroad. If someone says there are much better players around for £15 million, their argument somewhat flounders if they can't actually name a better player. I'm not a scout who watches a few hundred games a year around the world. I don't watch any foreign football at all. If you or anyone else really thinks Carroll is the best striker we can get for £15million then you must work for Liverpool in some capacity. That Maiga (?) who we almost signed went for £5million for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's fucking mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's f***ing mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Suddenly You haven't heard ANY of the numerous "Carroll is shit lol" jokes in the last 18 months? That horse falling over a ball gif maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Well if the club goes for him Im assuming they think he is the best we can get for the money. It is their mantra after all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's fucking mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Yep. Dont think it is so much laughing stock. I think it would be good to get him back, just not sure £20M is money we should be spending on him alone, especially considering the value we have managed to obtain elsewhere. If we did spend £20M on him and he did not rediscover the form he was in whilst here before, he surely would become the laughing stock pretty quickly (at our expense). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I want an excuse to use this gif so... This will sum up Allardyce back in the league http://gifsoup.com/view1/1376017/mulholland-drive-monster-o.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's fucking mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Yep. Dont think it is so much laughing stock. I think it would be good to get him back, just not sure £20M is money we should be spending on him alone, especially considering the value we have managed to obtain elsewhere. If we did spend £20M on him and he did not rediscover the form he was in whilst here before, he surely would become the laughing stock pretty quickly (at our expense). I still think he's a good player, and will do well in the league, I just think we'd be better off moving on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's f***ing mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Not really he's never been a good footballer, he was good at being on the end the type of attacks we built during that time span but he was never a good footballer. Also he's been awful for longer than he's been good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felling Mag Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Hope they get him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's f***ing mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Not really he's never been a good footballer, he was good at being on the end the type of attacks we built during that time span but he was never a good footballer. Also he's been awful for longer than he's been good. This is the type of thing I'm talking about. He was immense for us in 2010, you must have been in a coma during that period and compensated by having a flick through the book of football cliches. What Ian W's saying is fair enough but comments like yours are ridiculous. He's had a bad time at Liverpool but will be a good Premier League player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's not whether he's a good footballer, he was very good for us for a while and can, in the right system, be unplayable, it's whether he's anything more than a £10m footballer, and I don't think he's that. I don't believe we should be naive enough to think Ashley is willing to just splurge on him and not take that money out of whatever pot of money he has to fund transfers. He may be willing to push the boat out on occaision but surely that cuts the money to spend on other positions. We got Cisse for £9m and he's twice the footballer Carroll will ever be. I have to think there are footballers who suit us more for less out there. I'd be pretty gutted if we get Carroll for £15m and then a week later someone on a similar level to us gets Remy much cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's f***ing mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Not really he's never been a good footballer, he was good at being on the end the type of attacks we built during that time span but he was never a good footballer. Also he's been awful for longer than he's been good. :lol: So basically you have just admitted he was good then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I honestly don't think West Ham are even serious with this bid. Think it's probably a little bit of brinkmanship on his (dodgy as fuck) agents behalf, with the aim of raising his price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's f***ing mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Not really he's never been a good footballer, he was good at being on the end the type of attacks we built during that time span but he was never a good footballer. Also he's been awful for longer than he's been good. This is the type of thing I'm talking about. He was immense for us in 2010, you must have been in a coma during that period and compensated by having a flick through the book of football cliches. What Ian W's saying is fair enough but comments like yours are ridiculous. He's had a bad time at Liverpool but will be a good Premier League player. He was good for 6 months and he's been awful the rest of the time. I have to believe it was a flukey run of form as in nearly 2 years since he hasnt come close to replicating the form not even once. I realise he was really good in those 6 months when he had the entire team built for him, but before then and since then he hasnt shown anything to suggest it wasn't just a flukey run of form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's f***ing mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Not really he's never been a good footballer, he was good at being on the end the type of attacks we built during that time span but he was never a good footballer. Also he's been awful for longer than he's been good. :lol: So basically you have just admitted he was good then. Not what i meant by being a " good footballer " being a good forward and a good footballer is two totally different things. For example Tim Cahill was a fantastic finisher but quite average in his general play so i wouldnt really call him a " great footballer" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's worth mentioning that Hughton dropped Carroll at one point in that 6 months when he hadn't been playing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Some people should check the earlier parts of this thread. We were all convinced he was going to tear the whole world apart when we sold him. At his best he was unplayable. That potential is forgotten by so many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's 12 months of good form (forget the Championship season if you like but do the same for the likes of Coloccini) and the Liverpool move hasn't worked out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 It's f***ing mental how Carroll's suddenly become the most useless laughing stock in the league to some people on here, hilariously short memories. Not really he's never been a good footballer, he was good at being on the end the type of attacks we built during that time span but he was never a good footballer. Also he's been awful for longer than he's been good. This is the type of thing I'm talking about. He was immense for us in 2010, you must have been in a coma during that period and compensated by having a flick through the book of football cliches. What Ian W's saying is fair enough but comments like yours are ridiculous. He's had a bad time at Liverpool but will be a good Premier League player. He was good for 6 months and he's been awful the rest of the time. I have to believe it was a flukey run of form as in nearly 2 years since he hasnt come close to replicating the form not even once. I realise he was really good in those 6 months when he had the entire team built for him, but before then and since then he hasnt shown anything to suggest it wasn't just a flukey run of form. 6 months? He got his first team debut at 17, was awarded the Jackie Milburn pot, after scoring against Juve a year later he was given a big up by Buffon, when we went down he became first choice and top scorer, he was given the number 9 shirt and every man and his dog expected big things for him. He lived up to the hype, looked absolutely unstoppable at times, and became the most expensive British footballer of all time. I'm still pretty sure he's got more about him than just getting the rub of the green for half a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 He can definitely play footy, but we can't compete with the rich top clubs spunking money on what would amount to a vanity player in our current squad. I'd be alright with him coming for £10m but any more and it'll impact our spending elsewhere. If we are to keep competing for the champions league, unless Ashley is willing to invest way more than he has recently (and I don't blame him for not, I think football clubs spending ridiculous money damages the sport as a whole and incurs debts often and bringing in Cisse etc shows plenty of ambition), we have to make sure we get value for money and make sure every million we pay for a player is what Man City would have to pay £3m or so for to get similar quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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