Tooj Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Yes, but he thinks Barry is the answer, hence his good work is firmly undone. Who else could have played that role in our last game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Yes, but he thinks Barry is the answer, hence his good work is firmly undone. if wilshere was fit...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 That's not what I was saying, but for argument's sake I thought we'd get much more value out of playing someone like Cleverley there, for example. I see very little reason to play a shit footballer like Barry who will thankfully have little to do with England's future, unless there is literally no-one else to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 That's not what I was saying, but for argument's sake I thought we'd get much more value out of playing someone like Cleverley there, for example. I see very little reason to play a shit footballer like Barry who will thankfully have little to do with England's future, unless there is literally no-one else to play. Perhaps he felt Cleverley doesn't quite have the experience yet to be thrown in at that level? That was also the problem last game, there's literally no-one else to play. Wilshire will start when he's back, I have no doubt about that, and perhaps if Hargreaves shows some fitness this season, it's not too late for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 i thought barry do decent job ala gattuso... break up play & do more defensive duty to cover back four.. suit well with latest england formation.... lampard & gerard i think both finish... not suitable at all with the formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I echo the comments above that said it would be more beneficial to play Cleverley at this stage rather than Barry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Barry's a decent player and makes a good fist of his alloted role. Cleverley has talent, but probably isn't ready yet and wouldn't be competing for Barry's particular place anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Can't think of a single English player who could replace Barry like for like in Capello's system. Anybody? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Alan Smith. http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/089/080/original/Picture%2031.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Can't think of a single English player who could replace Barry like for like in Capello's system. Anybody? If the only players capable of playing that position in this system are Barry and Parker the system is flawed. You can get away with playing those pair of jokers against a shite team like Bulgaria but it's hardly a solution in the medium or long term is it? Imagine going into a major championship starting those two in the middle - Jesus wept. Thankfully if Wilshere is fit he plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Two holding players isn't the way forward for England as you need to be intelligent to play the position, you also need better than Downing and Walcott on the wings to supplement the striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 So basically we're not that good? Well blow me down. It's not Capello and his system, which Sewelly wrongfully assumes is flawed.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Two holding players isn't the way forward for England as you need to be intelligent to play the position, you also need better than Downing and Walcott on the wings to supplement the striker. Downing didn't play too badly and if he continues playing well for Liverpool, could well see him making the left wing his own (still don't really rate him that highly though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Starting them on the correct wings would make a good start like. Walcott on the left is madness. Might as well play Robert Green there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Really think a Wilshere Cleverly partnership in the middle could have a lot of potential, I'd rather we tried and failed with new lads like Cleverly now instead of persisting with the old heads who've failed us many times before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Can't think of a single English player who could replace Barry like for like in Capello's system. Anybody? Cleverley. I already said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Nope not a single player... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 "So you think Cleverley and Parker are the future?" I can see it coming now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 if he could ever play a run of games i'd say hargreaves would be a better option than barry, but he's probably got less chance of displacing him in the man city side first, if he doesn't injure himself getting out of bed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3794236/Fabo-Capello-fears-for-England-striker-Andy-Carrolls-fitness.html FABIO CAPELLO fears Andy Carroll is out of condition and has told the Liverpool star: Get fit! Carroll has had a sluggish start to the season, with Capello worried the party-loving £35m hitman is not looking after himself. The England coach said: "Andy didn't start the last game with Liverpool and probably he is not at the top of his form. "Also he is big. He needs to play games, games, games. "When these players, like Lampard, like Andy, are fit and at the top of their form, they will be important." The ex-Newcastle star is with the England squad ahead of tomorrow's home clash with Wales. Yet he failed even to make the bench for Friday's 3-0 Euro 2012 win in Bulgaria. Carroll has only been a sub for Liverpool's last two games. And, privately, Capello is concerned the player has not listened to warnings made in a private chat back in March. The Italian sees Carroll as a key man in England's future but wants more commitment in terms of his conditioning. After struggling with injury towards the end of last season, Carroll went on holiday to Barbados and Ibiza and was pictured drinking beer at Glastonbury. His only goal this season was against Exeter in the Carling Cup. In March, Capello said: "He needs to improve, to drink less. Look, he's young. His behaviour now is really, really important. He needs to be careful at every moment." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Can't think of a single English player who could replace Barry like for like in Capello's system. Anybody? Cleverley. I already said. I was thinking in the short term. No way would I want to risk Cleverley over Barry in an important qualifier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3794236/Fabo-Capello-fears-for-England-striker-Andy-Carrolls-fitness.html FABIO CAPELLO fears Andy Carroll is out of condition and has told the Liverpool star: Get fit! Carroll has had a sluggish start to the season, with Capello worried the party-loving £35m hitman is not looking after himself. The England coach said: "Andy didn't start the last game with Liverpool and probably he is not at the top of his form. "Also he is big. He needs to play games, games, games. "When these players, like Lampard, like Andy, are fit and at the top of their form, they will be important." The ex-Newcastle star is with the England squad ahead of tomorrow's home clash with Wales. Yet he failed even to make the bench for Friday's 3-0 Euro 2012 win in Bulgaria. Carroll has only been a sub for Liverpool's last two games. And, privately, Capello is concerned the player has not listened to warnings made in a private chat back in March. The Italian sees Carroll as a key man in England's future but wants more commitment in terms of his conditioning. After struggling with injury towards the end of last season, Carroll went on holiday to Barbados and Ibiza and was pictured drinking beer at Glastonbury. His only goal this season was against Exeter in the Carling Cup. In March, Capello said: "He needs to improve, to drink less. Look, he's young. His behaviour now is really, really important. He needs to be careful at every moment." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3794236/Fabo-Capello-fears-for-England-striker-Andy-Carrolls-fitness.html FABIO CAPELLO fears Andy Carroll is out of condition and has told the Liverpool star: Get fit! Carroll has had a sluggish start to the season, with Capello worried the party-loving £35m hitman is not looking after himself. The England coach said: "Andy didn't start the last game with Liverpool and probably he is not at the top of his form. "Also he is big. He needs to play games, games, games. "When these players, like Lampard, like Andy, are fit and at the top of their form, they will be important." The ex-Newcastle star is with the England squad ahead of tomorrow's home clash with Wales. Yet he failed even to make the bench for Friday's 3-0 Euro 2012 win in Bulgaria. Carroll has only been a sub for Liverpool's last two games. And, privately, Capello is concerned the player has not listened to warnings made in a private chat back in March. The Italian sees Carroll as a key man in England's future but wants more commitment in terms of his conditioning. After struggling with injury towards the end of last season, Carroll went on holiday to Barbados and Ibiza and was pictured drinking beer at Glastonbury. His only goal this season was against Exeter in the Carling Cup. In March, Capello said: "He needs to improve, to drink less. Look, he's young. His behaviour now is really, really important. He needs to be careful at every moment." Maybe the pressure of being a £35 million player is getting to Carroll? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I doubt Carroll will ever be a player as good at Liverpool as he could have become here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I doubt Carroll will ever be a player as good at Liverpool as he could have become here. Hope so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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