ads Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Replace Obafemi Martins with Jason Scotland Selling an 8-12 goal a season Premiership striker for £7m, and replacing him with a 20-25 goal a season Championship striker for less than half of that isn't the worst idea in the world tbh. How many 20-25 goal a season Championship strikers have even managed to get 12 goals a season in the Premiership? Chopra. oh, hang on... Darren Bent Andy Cole Andy Johnson Kevin Doyle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Irrelevant anyway really, we are a championship club and need to start thinking like one. If we start to think we are better than the rest of the teams in this league, i think we will get a nasty shock. IF we sign Beckford and he scores 25 goals in the chamionship and we get promoted.... then we can start thinking about how they would perform in the premierleague. Before that point i think we should remind ourselves of where we are. You are wrong. You can't just buy a team to get promoted and then buy a whole new team to stay up because the current lot aren't good enough. You have to assess players on whether they have a long term future in the top division. We have a group of players who are clearly not good enough for the top flight, correct? In that case, most of them, must leave for players who are good enough to get us back into the top flight i.e the best the championship has to offer. If there are players of premiership quality who want to play us then fine, but i suspect there are not many. There's nothing wrong with speculating as to which of our squad could cut it in the premierleague but i'm saying that it's a more worthwhile topic when we are promoted. So you would prefer us to be like West Brom of last season and not the West Ham, Manchester City or NUFC teams that last got promoted? Forgive me if I find that impossible to understand. None of them sides consisted of good premiership players, some of them simply had good first seasons in the premier league and invested heavily. West Ham for example nearly got relegated the season after, with the same players. Who ever mentioned being like West Brom? They never invested, when the got promoted. I'm saying that we should invest in premiership players when/if we get promoted in order to stay in the league. Not spending money we don't have, on premiership players who won't come to us. How many Chamionship clubs do you see signing "a pile" of premiership players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Irrelevant anyway really, we are a championship club and need to start thinking like one. If we start to think we are better than the rest of the teams in this league, i think we will get a nasty shock. IF we sign Beckford and he scores 25 goals in the chamionship and we get promoted.... then we can start thinking about how they would perform in the premierleague. Before that point i think we should remind ourselves of where we are. You are wrong. You can't just buy a team to get promoted and then buy a whole new team to stay up because the current lot aren't good enough. You have to assess players on whether they have a long term future in the top division. We have a group of players who are clearly not good enough for the top flight, correct? In that case, most of them, must leave for players who are good enough to get us back into the top flight i.e the best the championship has to offer. If there are players of premiership quality who want to play us then fine, but i suspect there are not many. There's nothing wrong with speculating as to which of our squad could cut it in the premierleague but i'm saying that it's a more worthwhile topic when we are promoted. So you would prefer us to be like West Brom of last season and not the West Ham, Manchester City or NUFC teams that last got promoted? Forgive me if I find that impossible to understand. None of them sides consisted of good premiership players, some of them simply had good first seasons in the premier league and invested heavily. West Ham for example nearly got relegated the season after, with the same players. Who ever mentioned being like West Brom? They never invested, when the got promoted. I'm saying that we should invest in premiership players when/if we get promoted in order to stay in the league. Not spending money we don't have, on premiership players who won't come to us. How many Chamionship clubs do you see signing "a pile" of premiership players? Players do improve you know? The clearly obvious point that you are missing is that some players may not be ready for the PL yet, but with a good run and experience, they could be excellent in two seasons time. Take Glen Johnson or Gareth Barry as an example of how a player can develop. PS West Ham stayed up, so you kinda shot yourself in the foot with that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Irrelevant anyway really, we are a championship club and need to start thinking like one. If we start to think we are better than the rest of the teams in this league, i think we will get a nasty shock. IF we sign Beckford and he scores 25 goals in the chamionship and we get promoted.... then we can start thinking about how they would perform in the premierleague. Before that point i think we should remind ourselves of where we are. You are wrong. You can't just buy a team to get promoted and then buy a whole new team to stay up because the current lot aren't good enough. You have to assess players on whether they have a long term future in the top division. We have a group of players who are clearly not good enough for the top flight, correct? In that case, most of them, must leave for players who are good enough to get us back into the top flight i.e the best the championship has to offer. If there are players of premiership quality who want to play us then fine, but i suspect there are not many. There's nothing wrong with speculating as to which of our squad could cut it in the premierleague but i'm saying that it's a more worthwhile topic when we are promoted. So you would prefer us to be like West Brom of last season and not the West Ham, Manchester City or NUFC teams that last got promoted? Forgive me if I find that impossible to understand. None of them sides consisted of good premiership players, some of them simply had good first seasons in the premier league and invested heavily. West Ham for example nearly got relegated the season after, with the same players. Who ever mentioned being like West Brom? They never invested, when the got promoted. I'm saying that we should invest in premiership players when/if we get promoted in order to stay in the league. Not spending money we don't have, on premiership players who won't come to us. How many Chamionship clubs do you see signing "a pile" of premiership players? Players do improve you know? The clearly obvious point that you are missing is that some players may not be ready for the PL yet, but with a good run and experience, they could be excellent in two seasons time. Take Glen Johnson or Gareth Barry as an example of how a player can develop. PS West Ham stayed up, so you kinda shot yourself in the foot with that one. I just think we should concentrate on building a side too get us out of the championship before we start to think about building a premiership side. I'm not for one second ruling out the signings of solid premiership players such as how Birmingham signed Carsley on a free from Everton (very astute IMO). However, we have to be realistic and although we might get one or two players of premiership quality, we can't refuse proven chamionship players to get us out of the league in the first place. By all means if Darren Bent wants to take a step down into the championship then fine but we all know that's unlikely. Therefore the option of a Beckford is appealing logically and financially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Irrelevant anyway really, we are a championship club and need to start thinking like one. If we start to think we are better than the rest of the teams in this league, i think we will get a nasty shock. IF we sign Beckford and he scores 25 goals in the chamionship and we get promoted.... then we can start thinking about how they would perform in the premierleague. Before that point i think we should remind ourselves of where we are. You are wrong. You can't just buy a team to get promoted and then buy a whole new team to stay up because the current lot aren't good enough. You have to assess players on whether they have a long term future in the top division. We have a group of players who are clearly not good enough for the top flight, correct? In that case, most of them, must leave for players who are good enough to get us back into the top flight i.e the best the championship has to offer. If there are players of premiership quality who want to play us then fine, but i suspect there are not many. There's nothing wrong with speculating as to which of our squad could cut it in the premierleague but i'm saying that it's a more worthwhile topic when we are promoted. So you would prefer us to be like West Brom of last season and not the West Ham, Manchester City or NUFC teams that last got promoted? Forgive me if I find that impossible to understand. West Ham went down with Kanoute & Defoe, sold them, and it was Harewood & Zamora that helped establish themselves back in the Premiership after getting them promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wshmag Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I wonder if Martins has had his operation yet. nah.he'll always have no spine . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danswan Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Replace Obafemi Martins with Jason Scotland Selling an 8-12 goal a season Premiership striker for £7m, and replacing him with a 20-25 goal a season Championship striker for less than half of that isn't the worst idea in the world tbh. How many 20-25 goal a season Championship strikers have even managed to get 12 goals a season in the Premiership? Chopra. oh, hang on... Darren Bent Andy Cole Andy Johnson Kevin Doyle Kevin Phillips Marcus Stewart Julian Joachim Les Ferdinand Marlon Harewood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Irrelevant anyway really, we are a championship club and need to start thinking like one. If we start to think we are better than the rest of the teams in this league, i think we will get a nasty shock. IF we sign Beckford and he scores 25 goals in the chamionship and we get promoted.... then we can start thinking about how they would perform in the premierleague. Before that point i think we should remind ourselves of where we are. You are wrong. You can't just buy a team to get promoted and then buy a whole new team to stay up because the current lot aren't good enough. You have to assess players on whether they have a long term future in the top division. We have a group of players who are clearly not good enough for the top flight, correct? In that case, most of them, must leave for players who are good enough to get us back into the top flight i.e the best the championship has to offer. If there are players of premiership quality who want to play us then fine, but i suspect there are not many. There's nothing wrong with speculating as to which of our squad could cut it in the premierleague but i'm saying that it's a more worthwhile topic when we are promoted. So you would prefer us to be like West Brom of last season and not the West Ham, Manchester City or NUFC teams that last got promoted? Forgive me if I find that impossible to understand. None of them sides consisted of good premiership players, some of them simply had good first seasons in the premier league and invested heavily. West Ham for example nearly got relegated the season after, with the same players. Who ever mentioned being like West Brom? They never invested, when the got promoted. I'm saying that we should invest in premiership players when/if we get promoted in order to stay in the league. Not spending money we don't have, on premiership players who won't come to us. How many Chamionship clubs do you see signing "a pile" of premiership players? Players do improve you know? The clearly obvious point that you are missing is that some players may not be ready for the PL yet, but with a good run and experience, they could be excellent in two seasons time. Take Glen Johnson or Gareth Barry as an example of how a player can develop. PS West Ham stayed up, so you kinda shot yourself in the foot with that one. I just think we should concentrate on building a side too get us out of the championship before we start to think about building a premiership side. I'm not for one second ruling out the signings of solid premiership players such as how Birmingham signed Carsley on a free from Everton (very astute IMO). However, we have to be realistic and although we might get one or two players of premiership quality, we can't refuse proven chamionship players to get us out of the league in the first place. By all means if Darren Bent wants to take a step down into the championship then fine but we all know that's unlikely. Therefore the option of a Beckford is appealing logically and financially. Understand your point but the more important questions are:- (1) Who's the owner? (2) How long more? (3) What's the transfer budget? (4) Who's the manager? All the above bearing in mind that we don't have much time : ( I don't think, at the end of the day, we're in the position of being able to cherry-pick freely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Apparently not http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_5455490,00.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Bye then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocho Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Bye blud, brapppp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If only that shot against Liverpool had gone in. Seeya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I can't wait to see how delighted Isegrim is at this news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If only that shot against Liverpool had gone in. Seeya Or the pen against Arsenal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If only that shot against Liverpool had gone in. Seeya The one at Anfield from 40 yards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Rather he went abroad so this is win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Meh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Rather he went abroad so this is win. i'd rather he go to the team, home or abroad that gives us the most money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Christ, imagine this forum if Wolfsburg draw Man Utd in the Champions League...we'd face meltdown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I'd rather see him go abroad if/when he leaves. The deluded side of me really would love to see him stay, but it was never really likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocho Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Newcastle striker Obafemi Martins has revealed he would be interested in securing a move to Wolfsburg. The reigning Bundesliga champions have been looking to bolster their attacking options all summer, feeling they rely too heavily on first-choice pairing Grafite and Edin Dzeko. Their efforts have so far been in vain, with Brazilian frontman Nilmar the latest to spurn their advances in favour of a switch to Villarreal. Nigeria international Martins has now fallen under their radar, with the Newcastle ace keen to find a route out of St James' Park following the club's relegation to the Championship. He is open to the idea of such a move, believing the German top-flight is now one of the most competitive in Europe. "The Bundesliga is on the up and could soon become one of the best in the world, that's why I am keen on joining a side that has recently become champions of that division," Martins said in Wolfsburger Allgemeine Zeitung. "I am hoping this transfer is going to be pushed through real soon." While continuing to track potential targets such as Martins, Wolfsburg boss Armin Veh insists the club will continue to hold out for the right deal. "We are under no pressure," he said. "We are able to start the new season with Edin Dzeko and Grafite up front if we have to." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 We have Shola, we'll be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 bye bye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hope he packs those boots that allow him to score a screamer once every ten games but fail to put away piss easy chances week in, week out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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