NG32 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 That's not what I asked. I've seen the matches and if he's a woeful player, what does that make the rest of the squad? IMO, even if he's not that good, he's miles better than the vast majority of our playing staff and that will be backed up when the squad is sold off. If you can name me 6 players who will fetch a bigger fee you'll have a point. How the hell can you judge the quality of a player over the rest of his team mates by price you will get for them? Is Beye a terrible player because he may leave for as little as 500k? If Nolan goes for 2 million he is better footballer than Beye 4 times over? I judged the players on performances in which i saw many better players than Martins, not saying those 'better' players are good players, but the best of a bad lot. The only criteria I use to judge a player is do we have better options or not? Yes, Super Shola! His only weakness is grass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 That's not what I asked. I've seen the matches and if he's a woeful player, what does that make the rest of the squad? IMO, even if he's not that good, he's miles better than the vast majority of our playing staff and that will be backed up when the squad is sold off. If you can name me 6 players who will fetch a bigger fee you'll have a point. How the hell can you judge the quality of a player over the rest of his team mates by price you will get for them? Is Beye a terrible player because he may leave for as little as 500k? If Nolan goes for 2 million he is better footballer than Beye 4 times over? I judged the players on performances in which i saw many better players than Martins, not saying those 'better' players are good players, but the best of a bad lot. The only criteria I use to judge a player is do we have better options or not? Yes, Super Shola! His only weakness is grass. and footballs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Their manager has confirmed their interest in Martins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Martins was brilliant 1st season, showed a lot of promise but like the club has gone backwards and his heart doesn't seem in it anymore. If we get what we paid for him we've done well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 So, how much do you want for him from Wolfsburg? I go with €10m Hopeful but achievable imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 So, how much do you want for him from Wolfsburg? I go with €10m Hopeful but achievable imo. Mr. Ashley would accept somewhere around half that, no doubt. Ironically, the only thing he seems to be willing to hold out on for a good price seems to be the club itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some fucking ability, especially in our team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I don't think Martins lacks commitment at all, in fact he's one of the few players who seem to have some affection for the club. The problem is that for a variety of reasons (inconsistency, form, confidence, club turmoil etc) he has never produced on the pitch. Therefore I can't bring myself to be sorry he's going. He's probably in my top few personal favourite toon players, but there's nobody I'd be really sorry to see go at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 So, how much do you want for him from Wolfsburg? I go with €10m Hopeful but achievable imo. If we weren't relegated and desperate to shift his wages, I'd want around £14m. Inflated, yes, but others seem to have no trouble getting ridiculous fees for decent/average players. In our current plight, I'd want £10m, even if that's unrealistic. I see him as a 15 goal striker with the much sought after commodity called pace. He's proven in the Premiership and Serie A, and still only 24 year olds. When on form, he's a dangerous striker for any opposition to face because he's unpredictable, i.e. can turn defenders easily and get a shot off with either foot. As a package, I think he'd be valuable in the eyes of other managers who'd be willing to take a punt on him. He has flaws, but then based on previous sales flaws don't seem to be considered much when going for a player with good attributes on paper - Jenas went for what, £9m? Dyer for £6m after years of constantly breaking down. Same for Woodgate who went for £13m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some fucking ability, especially in our team All season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 We actually don't have that bad a record at selling people for decent prices, except Given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some f***ing ability, especially in our team All season? before his injury I said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 We actually don't have that bad a record at selling people for decent prices, except Given. Shush, I've selectively erased any evidence from my brain that might convince me that Ashley is not Satan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some f***ing ability, especially in our team All season? before his injury I said You must of missed some of his 8-10 game streak of not scoring long before his injury this year. Or regularly missing sitters at the close of this year, when it really mattered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some f***ing ability, especially in our team All season? before his injury I said You must of missed some of his 8-10 game streak of not scoring long before his injury this year. Or regularly missing sitters at the close of this year, when it really mattered. He got injured in December mate. Before that he was scoring goals and playing well, there was no streak of not scoring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 At this precise moment Martins is sat in the bar at Gateshead Hilton talking to two guys. No papers in front of them and he keeps wandering off. Make of that what you will. EDIT - Keeps wandering away from the others to take/make calls on his mobile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Slap his face, Cath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 At this precise moment Martins is sat in the bar at Gateshead Hilton talking to two guys. No papers in front of them and he keeps wandering off. Make of that what you will. EDIT - Keeps wandering away from the others to take/make calls on his mobile. Drug deal. Make a loud bang and see if he hits the deck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some f***ing ability, especially in our team All season? before his injury I said You must of missed some of his 8-10 game streak of not scoring long before his injury this year. Or regularly missing sitters at the close of this year, when it really mattered. He got injured in December mate. Before that he was scoring goals and playing well, there was no streak of not scoring Look at the season before he went 10 games without scoring. He weren't playing with an injury either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 At this precise moment Martins is sat in the bar at Gateshead Hilton talking to two guys. No papers in front of them and he keeps wandering off. Make of that what you will. EDIT - Keeps wandering away from the others to take/make calls on his mobile. Drug deal. Make a loud bang and see if he hits the deck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some f***ing ability, especially in our team All season? before his injury I said You must of missed some of his 8-10 game streak of not scoring long before his injury this year. Or regularly missing sitters at the close of this year, when it really mattered. He got injured in December mate. Before that he was scoring goals and playing well, there was no streak of not scoring Look at the season before he went 10 games without scoring. He weren't playing with an injury either. I was talking about last season though, not the season before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 If he buggers off to Wolfsburg, and here's hoping, I don't think he'll particularly register on the radar of most English football fans ever again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I am by no means saying that Martins is a brilliant footballer or that he didn't underperform badly in the final 2 months of the season. However, it baffles me that so few on this board aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that with his injury, he shouldn't really have been on the pitch under Shearer. The fact is, he played through the pain, played poorly and gets accused of a lack of effort, it's laughable. I didn't think he looked committed all season to be honest. Not compared to how he'd looked in the two preceeding seasons anyway. You're certainly not the only one who thinks this. The fact is, before his injury he'd managed 6 goals in 12 games. If that represents a lack of effort it also represents some f***ing ability, especially in our team All season? before his injury I said You must of missed some of his 8-10 game streak of not scoring long before his injury this year. Or regularly missing sitters at the close of this year, when it really mattered. He got injured in December mate. Before that he was scoring goals and playing well, there was no streak of not scoring Look at the season before he went 10 games without scoring. He weren't playing with an injury either. I was talking about last season though, not the season before. You were asking us all to rate him on his appearances before he was injured.. so the season before that should apply surely? He was fit and healthy and not producing then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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