The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Dokko]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

 

Hughton thread, we talk Hughton in here.

 

Difficult concept to grasp I know. 

[olliemort]

If we dont get a result next week against the scousers I think he will be in trouble.I hope to god he wont I think he has done a very good job so far,just hoping hes learning from his mistakes

[oldtype]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

The fact of the matter is; too many of our players aren't f***ing good. You can bleat on about tactics all you want but if the 11 men you put on the field are inferior to the opposition, there's very little you can do about it.

 

At the end of the day, people are just badly disappointed and looking for scapegoats.

[Dokko]

So the massive over reactions are coming, time to leave

 

You've said that a few times this season.

[Cajun]

So the massive over reactions are coming, time to leave

 

You've said that a few times this season.

 

Yeah, it happens a lot.

 

Said it a lot last season too.

[thomas]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

The problem isn't Ameobi's potential, which has always been high.

 

The problem is that when you name AMeobi to the starting XI, he's either going to nab a goal and be a handful for defenders or he'll control and dribble like frankenstein with a charlie horse, lose possession and sap your will to live. 

 

Loven and Ranger, despite not having a better upside to their game, seem at least more consistent in what you get.  A better known quantity to work with.

[colinmk]

Absolutely clueless. Never learns from his mistakes.

 

If he's absolutely clueless how come your mates at Chelsea couldn't outwit him?

 

Terrible day at the office today but overall this season we are doing OK.  This forum is fucking shit sometimes though with some of the bi-polar idiots.  Anyone who expected an easy ride all season is fucking clueless.

 

 

Agreed, bad day today but total over-reaction as usual.

[Doctor Zaius]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

 

Hughton thread, we talk Hughton in here.

 

Difficult concept to grasp I know. 

 

Eh? That post makes no sense. 

 

So, because there's a thread about Hughton, he must be blamed for the defeat?

[Ronaldo]

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

There isn't a sensible mind on this forum that wanted Shola Ameobi to start that game after that utter nonsense last weekend.

[oldtype]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

The problem isn't Ameobi's potential, which has always been high.

 

The problem is that when you name AMeobi to the starting XI he'll nab a goal and be a handful for defenders or he'll control and dribble like frankenstein with a charlie horse, lose possession and sap your will to live. 

 

Loven and Ranger, despite not having a better upside to their game, seem at least more consistent in what you get.  A better known quantity to work with.

 

I agree that you can argue both ways. Clearly the fact that we're having this conversation proves that "picking Ameobi" isn't a surefire indicator that Hughton is a terrible manager?

[oldtype]

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

There isn't a sensible mind on this forum that wanted Shola Ameobi to start that game after that utter nonsense last weekend.

 

I'm sure you'd be jumping with joy seeing Lovenkrands in his place then.

[Minhosa]

Got it badly wrong today.................he has such a shit squad to select from when we're short though.

 

Little option - but I'd hope he'd be dropping Shola as soon as he has options,

[thomas]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

The problem isn't Ameobi's potential, which has always been high.

 

The problem is that when you name AMeobi to the starting XI he'll nab a goal and be a handful for defenders or he'll control and dribble like frankenstein with a charlie horse, lose possession and sap your will to live. 

 

Loven and Ranger, despite not having a better upside to their game, seem at least more consistent in what you get.  A better known quantity to work with.

 

I agree that you can argue both ways. Clearly the fact that we're having this conversation proves that "picking Ameobi" isn't a surefire indicator that Hughton is a terrible manager?

I'm not one of the opinion he's a terrible manager.

 

I'm of the opinion picking shola is a terrible choice because he's shite more often than good and let's face it, is never going to be consistently good. 

 

I think Chris took a gamble starting him today and it didn't pay off.

[Dinho lad]

Keep going, Chris!

[Ronaldo]

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

There isn't a sensible mind on this forum that wanted Shola Ameobi to start that game after that utter nonsense last weekend.

 

I'm sure you'd be jumping with joy seeing Lovenkrands in his place then.

 

And where did I say that?

[Stottie]

Shola looks crocked to me. Him starting was the major mistake today. With Barton and Nolan out, it was always going to be a struggle, but no need to be a player down from the start.

 

If he wants to go two big men, he could have done so with Best.

[Dokko]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

 

Hughton thread, we talk Hughton in here.

 

Difficult concept to grasp I know. 

 

Eh? That post makes no sense. 

 

So, because there's a thread about Hughton, he must be blamed for the defeat?

 

Where did I say that?

 

Fun making shit up is it?

 

If you want to berate a player, go look in their thread, plenty of people will be having a go. This is Hughtons so people are talking about his failing ans shortcomings as a manager at this level.

 

[Guest BooBoo]

Shola captain, when there's Campbell and Steven Taylor on the pitch.

 

Lovenkrands brought on ahead of Best and Ranger.

 

A general complete lack of ideas in changing formation or attempting a plan b when the chips are down.

 

Starting unfit players.

 

All stupid and basic mistakes that keep getting made time and time again.

[Mick]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

Guthrie was tried on the wing too many times last season and it didn't work so why try it again this season?  How many times to we need to keep trying failed players in certain positions?  As for Shola, playing him today is proof as to why he shouldn't have started. 

[Crumpy Gunt]

And how the fuck does it work that a manager with months and weeks on his contract is authorising 5 and a half year contracts for players?

[Doctor Zaius]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

 

Hughton thread, we talk Hughton in here.

 

Difficult concept to grasp I know. 

 

Eh? That post makes no sense. 

 

So, because there's a thread about Hughton, he must be blamed for the defeat?

 

Where did I say that?

 

Fun making s*** up is it?

 

If you want to berate a player, go look in their thread, plenty of people will be having a go. This is Hughtons so people are talking about his failing ans shortcomings as a manager at this level.

 

 

So what are you trying to say then? I know this is the Hughton thread, where did i say we couldn't discuss him?

 

So unless you've got a decent argument against my point, why dont you shut up and stop pointing out the obvious in an attempt to.... infact i'm not sure what you were even attempting to say with that post.

[Incognito]

With a thread bare squad and 6 first team players missing through injury/suspension,it seems mental that people are blaming Hughton for this.

[Ronaldo]

Shola captain, when there's Campbell and Steven Taylor on the pitch.

 

Lovenkrands brought on ahead of Best and Ranger.

 

A general complete lack of ideas in changing formation or attempting a plan b when the chips are down.

 

Starting unfit players.

 

All stupid and basic mistakes that keep getting made time and time again.

 

And ignored simply because we won a game or 2, 4 weeks ago.

[Cajun]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

Guthrie was tried on the wing too many times last season and it didn't work so why try it again this season?  How many times to we need to keep trying failed players in certain positions?  As for Shola, playing him today is proof as to why he shouldn't have started. 

 

Guthrie was better in the centre but got a lot of assists out wide because he had more time and space.

 

The mistake is playing him in the centre at this level tbh because he is too weak, slow and has absolutely no stamina at all. He would be more useful out wide because his delivery can be decent but in all honesty he just shouldn't be on the pitch.

[The Merse]

Don't know what makes Shola undroppable even when injured - doing him or the team no favours - was like playing with ten men for 45 mins - set up too deep and didn't press the ball high enough - Gutierrez was just plain lazy - sol looked like a fifty year old trying to dance - carroll too greedy