The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Decky]

When you're a relegation struggler you're going to have some terrible losses. At the beginning of the season, Hughton himself mentioned the need to stay strong through these inevitable poor patches. We just have to accept that some degree of fluctuation is natural.

 

There's still a lot of football to be played and there's no point in labeling him yet. Just in general principle, you shouldn't even consider sacking your manager unless he's a. lost the dressing room, or b. persists on making the same mistakes. We've seen none of that from Hughton.

 

We have definitely seen B.

[Doctor Zaius]

You have to look at the players as well. At the end of the day there was a decent side out there today and they just didnt turn up. They were gutless and pathetic, smacks of the relegation season and its no surprised most of this lot played for us that year too. Hughton has his share of the blame for not getting the players going of course, but at the end of the day they are 11 grown men and professional footballers, to walk out there and not even bother is ridiculous.

 

The point is that there wasnt a decent side out there. Too many players who are simply sub standard.

 

A side containing Guthrie, Smith, Routledge, Jonas, Lovenkrands, Simpson and Shola is not decent. They are not decent players. You could argue that Routledge, Campbell and Taylor are half decent but the fact of the matter is our side has far too many passengers. 

[oldtype]

I don't get it man, did you forget to put a facepalm on after quoting my post? Surely you can't be agreeing with me.

 

EDIT: omg, you actually DID forget to add the

[Mick]

I think he's already proven he's a good manager.  We're obviously going to lose games and have bad runs, you can't always say that means the manager is crap, take Ancelotti as an example at the moment.  On the other hand you could argue the opposite with the good runs but I think Hughton has shown enough in the last year and a half, with our rapid rise, to show he's a good manager.

 

Mick, you seem to be basing your opinion on Hughton's ability entirely down to our results (thinking he's good after and few wins and bad after a few defeats), surely there comes a point where you have to accept that a manager is doing the best with the players he has got.   You could argue Hughton isn't doing this it but that would be difficult IMO.

 

 

I don't base my opinion on results alone, playing Guthrie on the right wing when he clearly can't play in that position does my head in, that comment has nothing to do with today.  Leaving Shola on for so long last weekend was crazy, as was actually starting him today after last weeks non-event.  Also, I'm not blaming him for todays result where he had limited resources although Shola shouldn't have been in the starting 11.

[Dokko]

When you're a relegation struggler you're going to have some terrible losses. At the beginning of the season, Hughton himself mentioned the need to stay strong through these inevitable poor patches. We just have to accept that some degree of fluctuation is natural.

 

There's still a lot of football to be played and there's no point in labeling him yet. Just in general principle, you shouldn't even consider sacking your manager unless he's a. lost the dressing room, or b. persists on making the same mistakes. We've seen none of that from Hughton.

 

Sickening isn't it?

[Frazzle]

Absolutely clueless. Never learns from his mistakes.

 

If he's absolutely clueless how come your mates at Chelsea couldn't outwit him?

 

Terrible day at the office today but overall this season we are doing OK.  This forum is fucking shit sometimes though with some of the bi-polar idiots.  Anyone who expected an easy ride all season is fucking clueless.

[Dave]

Absolutely clueless. Never learns from his mistakes.

 

If he's absolutely clueless how come your mates at Chelsea couldn't outwit him?

 

Terrible day at the office today but overall this season we are doing OK.  This forum is fucking shit sometimes though with some of the bi-polar idiots.  Anyone who expected an easy ride all season is fucking clueless.

 

[Crumpy Gunt]

Amazing folk still want to keep this moron in charge.

[Cajun]

Amazing folk still want to keep this moron in charge.

 

Hi.

[Ronaldo]

Absolutely clueless. Never learns from his mistakes.

 

If he's absolutely clueless how come your mates at Chelsea couldn't outwit him?

 

Terrible day at the office today but overall this season we are doing OK.  This forum is f***ing s*** sometimes though with some of the bi-polar idiots.  Anyone who expected an easy ride all season is f***ing clueless.

 

Chelsea failed. Blackpool, Stoke, Blackburn, Bolton and West Brom managed it, though.

[Doctor Zaius]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

The fact of the matter is; too many of our players aren't fucking good. You can bleat on about tactics all you want but if the 11 men you put on the field are inferior to the opposition, there's very little you can do about it.

[Frazzle]

Amazing folk still want to keep this moron in charge.

 

I'm amazed he hasn't gone already.  Sunderland game was your prediction wasn't it?

[oldtype]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

[Cajun]

So the massive over reactions are coming, time to leave

[Dokko]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

 

Hughton thread, we talk Hughton in here.

 

Difficult concept to grasp I know. 

[olliemort]

If we dont get a result next week against the scousers I think he will be in trouble.I hope to god he wont I think he has done a very good job so far,just hoping hes learning from his mistakes

[oldtype]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

The fact of the matter is; too many of our players aren't f***ing good. You can bleat on about tactics all you want but if the 11 men you put on the field are inferior to the opposition, there's very little you can do about it.

 

At the end of the day, people are just badly disappointed and looking for scapegoats.

[Dokko]

So the massive over reactions are coming, time to leave

 

You've said that a few times this season.

[Cajun]

So the massive over reactions are coming, time to leave

 

You've said that a few times this season.

 

Yeah, it happens a lot.

 

Said it a lot last season too.

[thomas]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

The problem isn't Ameobi's potential, which has always been high.

 

The problem is that when you name AMeobi to the starting XI, he's either going to nab a goal and be a handful for defenders or he'll control and dribble like frankenstein with a charlie horse, lose possession and sap your will to live. 

 

Loven and Ranger, despite not having a better upside to their game, seem at least more consistent in what you get.  A better known quantity to work with.

[colinmk]

Absolutely clueless. Never learns from his mistakes.

 

If he's absolutely clueless how come your mates at Chelsea couldn't outwit him?

 

Terrible day at the office today but overall this season we are doing OK.  This forum is fucking shit sometimes though with some of the bi-polar idiots.  Anyone who expected an easy ride all season is fucking clueless.

 

 

Agreed, bad day today but total over-reaction as usual.

[Doctor Zaius]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

 

Hughton thread, we talk Hughton in here.

 

Difficult concept to grasp I know. 

 

Eh? That post makes no sense. 

 

So, because there's a thread about Hughton, he must be blamed for the defeat?

[Ronaldo]

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

There isn't a sensible mind on this forum that wanted Shola Ameobi to start that game after that utter nonsense last weekend.

[oldtype]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

The problem isn't Ameobi's potential, which has always been high.

 

The problem is that when you name AMeobi to the starting XI he'll nab a goal and be a handful for defenders or he'll control and dribble like frankenstein with a charlie horse, lose possession and sap your will to live. 

 

Loven and Ranger, despite not having a better upside to their game, seem at least more consistent in what you get.  A better known quantity to work with.

 

I agree that you can argue both ways. Clearly the fact that we're having this conversation proves that "picking Ameobi" isn't a surefire indicator that Hughton is a terrible manager?

[oldtype]

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

There isn't a sensible mind on this forum that wanted Shola Ameobi to start that game after that utter nonsense last weekend.

 

I'm sure you'd be jumping with joy seeing Lovenkrands in his place then.