The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[JH]

[Guest neesy111]

While I disagreed with Jonny Hall after the Bolton game, I think he's right that the performances against teams we should be able to compete against at least have been woeful and are getting worse not better.

[Dokko]

Think the club need to back him with a contract this week and bring in a No2 or get rid. Don't think the middle ground is helping us here, it might be the right business decision (and for a while I backed it thinking its what's best for the club) but unrest, odds dropping, form dire, its all building up to decision time anyway so they might as well take the initiative and make a quick decision.

 

He's a middle of the road manager at best, but that with the entire backing of the club is good enough for us right now, but with uncertainty spreading causing problems its undermining his position as manager. Without a stable long term future he's got nothing on the players, falls out with one and they'll not give a shit since a few more poor performances and its likely he's gone anyway if not end of the season, a player can wait that out. Sort of SBR in his final season after FFS announced he'd be leaving.

 

Either way I want his position sorted ASAP and we can move on and unite the club.

 

 

 

 

 

[Benwell Lad]

Four points off the relegation zone. :omg:

 

Four points off sixth. :omg:

 

According to the Premier League table we're currently ranked as a mid-table team, which means we have and will continue to lose just as many (if not more) games than we win. That's probably better than most of us expected at the start of the season. Our present form isn't good and by no means am I saying I'm not worried at all, but the fact we're still 11th means not only are others just as bad as us at throwing points away, they're actually worse. Changing the manager at this stage would be a ridiculous risk, if not outright suicide considering the current regime's track record of employing them.

 

Again, I'm just ranting to myself here before anyone takes offence.

 

Not to mention that we have 6 absolute first choice players to return between the next match and March, Gosling to enter the equation and hopefully the addition of an experienced quality striker in January.

 

[JH]

Four points off the relegation zone. :omg:

 

Four points off sixth. :omg:

 

According to the Premier League table we're currently ranked as a mid-table team, which means we have and will continue to lose just as many (if not more) games than we win. That's probably better than most of us expected at the start of the season. Our present form isn't good and by no means am I saying I'm not worried at all, but the fact we're still 11th means not only are others just as bad as us at throwing points away, they're actually worse. Changing the manager at this stage would be a ridiculous risk, if not outright suicide considering the current regime's track record of employing them.

 

Again, I'm just ranting to myself here before anyone takes offence.

 

Not to mention that we have 6 absolute first choice players to return between the next match and March, Gosling to enter the equation and hopefully the addition of an experienced quality striker in January.

 

 

We're going down then...

[Dave]

Think the club need to back him with a contract this week and bring in a No2 or get rid. Don't think the middle ground is helping us here, it might be the right business decision (and for a while I backed it thinking its what's best for the club) but unrest, odds dropping, form dire, its all building up to decision time anyway so they might as well take the initiative and make a quick decision.

 

He's a middle of the road manager at best, but that with the entire backing of the club is good enough for us right now, but with uncertainty spreading causing problems and its undermining his position as manager. Without a stable long term future he's got nothing on the players, falls out with one and they'll not give a shit since a few more poor performances and its likely he's gone anyway if not end of the season, a player can wait that out. Sort of SBR in his final season after FFS announced he'd be leaving.

 

Either way I want his position sorted ASAP and we can move on and unite the club.

 

I don't think we can define him as a manager just yet, but other than that I totally agree.

[BlueStar]

The more important question than if he's 'good enough' is if you think Ashley is capable of getting anyone better.

[JH]

How is the contract situation having an effect on the team exactly? (Genuine question)

[Incognito]

Playing devil's advocate here,as I support Hughton here,but if there's ever a right time to boot out a manager,a month before the window opens is it.Would it be a sign of money to be spent in January if they did fire him now?

[Benwell Lad]

Four points off the relegation zone. :omg:

 

Four points off sixth. :omg:

 

According to the Premier League table we're currently ranked as a mid-table team, which means we have and will continue to lose just as many (if not more) games than we win. That's probably better than most of us expected at the start of the season. Our present form isn't good and by no means am I saying I'm not worried at all, but the fact we're still 11th means not only are others just as bad as us at throwing points away, they're actually worse. Changing the manager at this stage would be a ridiculous risk, if not outright suicide considering the current regime's track record of employing them.

 

Again, I'm just ranting to myself here before anyone takes offence.

 

Not to mention that we have 6 absolute first choice players to return between the next match and March, Gosling to enter the equation and hopefully the addition of an experienced quality striker in January.

 

 

We're going down then...

 

Dunno if you read the "hopefully". The others are givens, the striker bit is a desire.

While desirable I don't, as you seem to, think it's the difference between staying up and going down, but extra quality in the final third of the pitch will help enormously.

[JH]

Four points off the relegation zone. :omg:

 

Four points off sixth. :omg:

 

According to the Premier League table we're currently ranked as a mid-table team, which means we have and will continue to lose just as many (if not more) games than we win. That's probably better than most of us expected at the start of the season. Our present form isn't good and by no means am I saying I'm not worried at all, but the fact we're still 11th means not only are others just as bad as us at throwing points away, they're actually worse. Changing the manager at this stage would be a ridiculous risk, if not outright suicide considering the current regime's track record of employing them.

 

Again, I'm just ranting to myself here before anyone takes offence.

 

Not to mention that we have 6 absolute first choice players to return between the next match and March, Gosling to enter the equation and hopefully the addition of an experienced quality striker in January.

 

 

We're going down then...

 

Dunno if you read the "hopefully". The others are givens, the striker bit is a desire.

While desirable I don't, as you seem to, think it's the difference between staying up and going down, but extra quality in the final third of the pitch will help enormously.

 

I do think it could prove to be the difference between staying up and going down. Carroll seems to be the only one capable of scoring consistently up there and when we lose him (which we will because I doubt he'll play EVERY game this season), we need someone to fill in the gaps. We need a goalscorer and desperately.

[Golfmag]

The more important question than if he's 'good enough' is if you think Ashley is capable of getting anyone better.

 

I don't know if anyone remembers what I said a few weeks back but it's all being worked on this afternoon. The nightmare scenario.

[Benwell Lad]

How is the contract situation having an effect on the team exactly? (Genuine question)

 

Don't think it is, it's the press and then the fans who seem to be getting uptight about it.

Thing that is affecting the team is missing key players and the rather lacklustre performances of some of the stand ins and those who remain.

[quayside]

The more important question than if he's 'good enough' is if you think Ashley is capable of getting anyone better.

 

I don't know if anyone remembers what I said a few weeks back but it's all being worked on this afternoon. The nightmare scenario.

 

I remember what you said - Pardew in...

[AfroP]

Hughtons odds of being the next managed sacked have been slashed. and William Hill are no longer taking bets on it.

 

looks like he could be on his way out

 

hope not

 

would mean too much disruption to the squad

[JH]

Pardew? Oh joy

[Doctor Zaius]

Talk of Hughton going.

 

Some folk on here are fucking laughable like. The aim this season was to survive, regardless of early season 6-0 and 5-1 wins. Something we're currently on course to do.

 

I'd fucking love to see who'd replace him aswell, they'd be either desperate or have a screw loose to come and work under Ashley like.

[Neil]

Pardew? Oh joy

 

Opposition teams will be ra-... rapidly.. not... winning games... against you.

[Golfmag]

Pardew? Oh joy

 

I have been told that it is about to happen. Not based on the betting situation at all. Really, really hope that I'm wrong.

[Elliottman]

Hughtons odds of being the next managed sacked have been slashed. and William Hill are no longer taking bets on it.

 

looks like he could be on his way out

 

hope not

 

would mean too much disruption to the squad

 

why do you think it looks like he is on his way out? Because a load of people have put money on him? Doesnt mean bott all. String of bad results = odds slashed. Only Ashley knows how close he is to the sack, not the bookies.

[JH]

Hughton or Pardew? Hmmm...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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All is forgiven my lord 

[The Prophet]

There’s no way we should rush into sacking Hughton when we’re still in what is a relatively healthy position. While the results at Bolton and West Brom were poor and may have raised question marks about his future they were down to injury and suspension as much as bad management.

 

Personally I didn’t agree with the tactics yet, particularly in the first half, it’s the first time this season I’ve totally disagreed with something Hughton has done. Then again you look at the midfield and you can see other reasons we were may have been sitting so deep. Guthrie doesn’t exactly push on while Routledge struggled to get into the game and Jonas was sloppy in possession, we may not have been able to push out because the personnel were not good enough to do so. Either way yesterday’s first half was unacceptable.

 

It’s easy to forget we’ve been without our first choice centre backs and possibly our most creative midfielder in recent week, it’s difficult to see how sides in our position wouldn’t struggle. Yet, we’re still in a relatively healthy position. We’re on a bad run, but we’ve shown we’re more than capable of picking up clusters of results that will give us the points we need to survive.

 

At this moment in time I believe sacking Hughton would be counterproductive. We’d be heading into a busy Christmas period with no manager, a disappointed squad and a search for a replacement that may prove no better. Add to that he’s doing a relatively good job and I believe it would be foolish to sack him at this moment in time.

 

 

[Wullie]

I'm putting myself firmly in the Pardew Out camp from the off. Bloke's an arsehole and one who's shit at his job.

[quayside]

Hughtons odds of being the next managed sacked have been slashed. and William Hill are no longer taking bets on it.

 

looks like he could be on his way out

 

hope not

 

would mean too much disruption to the squad

 

why do you think it looks like he is on his way out? Because a load of people have put money on him? Doesnt mean bott all. String of bad results = odds slashed. Only Ashley knows how close he is to the sack, not the bookies.

 

 

Anyone going to go there 

[Zero]

And the key question is, who will come to be our manager under Ashley? JFK again?