The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 In how many of the games did Chelsea miss Mata like? Shite question. Our best results this season have come without HBA and we are better this season than last where HBA played whenever fit. And they could've done with Mata against Wham. I do think Chelsea will struggle to break teams down that come to defend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It's grammatically incorrect as the / sign gives the two the same importance but I did read it incorrectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 People are very quick to abuse me on here, you would think I have insulted their family. Yes, I mean the difference between the players highlighted. Demichelis was awful. Doesn't have the legs to cover the defence well, weak in the challenge and slowed down the pace of attacks. Yaya had to get the ball off his toes too many times. In comparison Fernandinho can do his own and 50% of Yaya's defensive work and he's much quicker and sharper on the ball than Demichelis. The same is true of Mikel/Lampard/Essien compared to Matic but in reverse. Chelsea looked so much stronger and quicker in the middle than City and it was largely down to that difference. Surely Rodwell is better than Demichelis in midfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Playing Demichelis in CM in the Premier League is basically suicidal. Absolutely awful selection. He can barely cope at CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Playing Demichelis in CM in the Premier League is basically suicidal. Absolutely awful selection. He can barely cope at CB. The man can barely run ffs. It was clear from the start he was the worst player on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Wait a fucking minute. Ozil has no engine? You serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Playing Demichelis in CM in the Premier League is basically suicidal. Absolutely awful selection. He can barely cope at CB. That's a bit OTT. He's a classy CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It was probably the equivalent of us playing Colo in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Wait a f***ing minute. Ozil has no engine? You serious? Errrr.. yes. Ozil's fairly quick but he's a poor athlete. His stamina is clearly lacking. Physically and work-rate wise he's no better than Mata. I do think Mou values athleticism and work rate more in the PL as his Madrid side included Cronaldo and Ozil who had little defensive responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Playing Demichelis in CM in the Premier League is basically suicidal. Absolutely awful selection. He can barely cope at CB. That's a bit OTT. He's a classy CB. From what I saw from him in Spain aye. But he's looked shaky in the PL so far. He hasn't had enough games to get up to speed and he's not getting any better physically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Demichelis isn't up to playing top of the table football whatever league he's been in unless he is massively protected by those around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Wait a f***ing minute. Ozil has no engine? You serious? Errrr.. yes. Ozil's fairly quick but he's a poor athlete. His stamina is clearly lacking. Physically and work-rate wise he's no better than Mata. I do think Mou values athleticism and work rate more in the PL as his Madrid side included Cronaldo and Ozil who had little defensive responsibility. Alright, agree with that then. But like what you say, it is probably personal problems instead of tactical. Mata's case actually reminds me Casillas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 What else does engine mean? lol stamina/work rate/athleticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Tactically Mourinho is as good as it gets, he is a genius in that respect. However, he doesn't really need to win most games tactically, his players are so tough mentally and so dynamic the opposition often just run out of steam or ideas, as City did last night. He for me is a great coach, a great manager, a master tactician and in football he is rare in that he guarantees trophies, wherever he goes. I reckon he would even win a trophy here, that's how good he is. That said, his football philosophy isn't my cup of tea, its not exciting or aesthetic, its very similar to how the old Italian and German national sides played. which is strange given he was number 2 to Sir Bobby and van Gaal, two attack minded managers with an emphasis on exciting the crowd and playing good attacking footy. His success can't be argued though or denied, it must be great to play for him. RE Mata, I reckon he went into Chelsea, targeted their two time successive player of the year and deliberately dropped him as if to say I'm Jose, I'm the boss, I can do what the fuck I like and still win games. Having the likes of Oscar and Hazard helps being able to make such decisions of course as does the ability to bring in Matic for x millions, but its the kind of thing Mourinho will do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Tactically Mourinho is as good as it gets, he is a genius in that respect. However, he doesn't really need to win most games tactically, his players are so tough mentally and so dynamic the opposition often just run out of steam or ideas, as City did last night. He for me is a great coach, a great manager, a master tactician and in football he is rare in that he guarantees trophies, wherever he goes. I reckon he would even win a trophy here, that's how good he is. That said, his football philosophy isn't my cup of tea, its not exciting or aesthetic, its very similar to how the old Italian and German national sides played. which is strange given he was number 2 to Sir Bobby and van Gaal, two attack minded managers with an emphasis on exciting the crowd and playing good attacking footy. His success can't be argued though or denied, it must be great to play for him. RE Mata, I reckon he went into Chelsea, targeted their two time successive player of the year and deliberately dropped him as if to say I'm Jose, I'm the boss, I can do what the f*** I like and still win games. Having the likes of Oscar and Hazard helps being able to make such decisions of course as does the ability to bring in Matic for x millions, but its the kind of thing Mourinho will do. Agree with the first bit, but the second is that Mata does not fit into a mourinho style team. Mou likes very fast counter attacking forwards and a powerful/fast striker backed with some stoic midfielders and marauding wing backs. Mata is much more elaborative in his play and likes to take his time which is the anti-system to Mourinhos. I love the guy, all his ridiculous bullshilt he comes out with to divert the attention and his circus antics, really makes for good entertainment. Whilst his teams impress me they aren't normally great on the eye... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Jose Mourinho: Chelsea are not title contenders http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26023637 "The title race is between two horses [Arsenal and Manchester City] and a little horse that needs milk and needs to learn how to jump. "Maybe next season we can race." Awesome lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Can we get Billy the masseuse in as manager? Sounds like he at least knows how to inspire a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 He's not as good as it gets tactically though. Barcelona had lost their edge before he started beating them with Madrid. Rafa Benitez bested him several times in 2 legged affairs with an inferior side. Not once did he outclass his opposition tactically in his Madrid CL semi finals. He has a great approach to management which is great at getting the best out of individual players over the course of a season. He also makes quick decisions for substitutes which helps. But purely tactically? He has a default approach based on organisation, athleticism and counter attacking. He's not inept by any means in that area. But it's not his greatest strengths and there are better out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 His best attribute is that he's a winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 He's not as good as it gets tactically though. Barcelona had lost their edge before he started beating them with Madrid. Rafa Benitez bested him several times in 2 legged affairs with an inferior side. Not once did he outclass his opposition tactically in his Madrid CL semi finals. He has a great approach to management which is great at getting the best out of individual players over the course of a season. He also makes quick decisions for substitutes which helps. But purely tactically? He has a default approach based on organisation, athleticism and counter attacking. He's not inept by any means in that area. But it's not his greatest strengths and there are better out there. He's fantastic at setting up a team tactically when they are the underdog, but struggles at building a team to take the game to the opposition. As shown by last season against Dortmund, his Real Madrid team always struggled when they had to break down a team he's not the best at that sort of stuff. There's few better at what he excels at though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisdom Body Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Indifferent. His public persona is clearly a front, so I have no idea what he is as a person. As a manager his CV speaks for itself. Anybody who doubts him as a tactician should rewatch Chelsea vs. Inter and Inter vs. Barcelona from 2010. Two perfectly prepared matches, particularly the second one against the monstrous Barça of the time. I do dislike how eager the doe-eyed media is to lick his boots (due to his apparent "entertainment" value). Hate that. I also find this renewed fascination with him interesting, considering he's generally not as 'good' as he was pre-Madrid. In my estimation anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I think he's a genius, for all the reasons, advantages and faults listed by almost everyone above. I'm also a sucker for anyone who lays into Big Sam, and his recent attack was the icing on the cake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 He takes as much pressure off the players as possible. In turn the players themselves feel they "owe him" so go an extra yard to repay that favour which ultimately ends in success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 He's not as good as it gets tactically though. Barcelona had lost their edge before he started beating them with Madrid. Rafa Benitez bested him several times in 2 legged affairs with an inferior side. Not once did he outclass his opposition tactically in his Madrid CL semi finals. He has a great approach to management which is great at getting the best out of individual players over the course of a season. He also makes quick decisions for substitutes which helps. But purely tactically? He has a default approach based on organisation, athleticism and counter attacking. He's not inept by any means in that area. But it's not his greatest strengths and there are better out there. Rafa didn't do that well against Mourinho's sides. The CL semis we won were both close-run things, and in 2005 in particular, Chelsea's side was decimated by injuries and fatigue, while we went into the game with our best 11 in top condition (they were pushing for the league title, we were concentrating 100% on the CL). IIRC, we bossed them twice: once when Gerrard and Hamann had an absolute barnstormer in midfield (while their 3 had a 'mare), and once when Essien was at CB because all their actual centre backs were out injured. That said, I'd like to see Mourinho win the Champions League with Djimi Traore in his side … Mourinho is, IMO, very astute tactically, but also a good man manager. He has the charisma to get away with defensive tactics where lesser characters would not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 That said, I'd like to see Mourinho win the Champions League with Djimi Traore in his side … Winning the treble with Muntari playing 40 games has to be close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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