The Liverpool Thread

[Mick]

I'm delighted for the Liverpool fans, they lost 96 family members, friends and fellow supporters.  They couldn't even mourn in peace because of the lies that came out to blacken them and the victims were made out to look like they'd caused their own problems.

 

This has to be the biggest cover-up during my lifetime and I hope that all those responsible for this spend the rest of their lives in prison.

[Incognito]

I'm delighted for the Liverpool fans, they lost 96 family members, friends and fellow supporters.  They couldn't even mourn in peace because of the lies that came out to blacken them and the victims were made out to look like they'd caused their own problems.

 

This has to be the biggest cover-up during my lifetime and I hope that all those responsible for this spend the rest of their lives in prison.

I'd dig her up and parade her stinking remains through the streets of Liverpool.

 

[Mick]

 

I'd dig her up and parade her stinking remains through the streets of Liverpool.

 

 

Yorkshire police were terrible and they thought that they could do anything after the miners strike. Policing at Hillsborough became really heavy handed and they treated football fans like scum.  The worst I can remember is when they had us crushed behind the goal, the corner  to our left was closed and nobody could use it, it was awful for the whole 90 minutes when I don't think my feet came into contact with the terracing from kickoff until well after full time.

[BlueStar]

Let's not either forget Thatcher's media man, Bernard Ingham, who still refuses to apologise for his disgusting comments about Liverpool supporters' behaviour on that day. Grade A c***.

 

 

He sent lots of horrible letters to the victim's families, here's another

 

 

Letter from Sir Bernard Ingham to Graham Skinner in December 30, 1996

 

"Thank you for your letter of December 11. I believe that there would have been no Hillsborough disaster if tanked-up yobs had not turned up in very large numbers to try to force their way into the ground.

 

I visited Hillsborough the day after the disaster and I know what I learned then. I have never denied that the police may have made mistakes, but I firmly believe that the Lord Chief Justice whitewashed the real culprits and I said so from the moment I read his report.

 

I have not seen the McGovern film. But I am long enough in the tooth to know that TV films should never be accepted as evidence. But let us suppose there is something in the film – for example, the “evidence” that the pens were already full when the gates were opened.

 

What, then were all those people doing trying to get into the ground? I have never, of course, said where they came from because I do not know.

 

I have no intention of apologising for my views which are sincerely held on the basis of what I heard first hand at Hillsborough. I have, however, one suggestion to make: for its own good, Liverpool – with the Heysel disaster in the background – should shut up about Hillsborough.

 

“Nothing can now bring back those who died – innocent people who, by virtue of being in the ground early, had their lives crushed out of them by a mob surging in late.

 

To go on about it serves only to confirm in many people’s minds that Liverpool has a very bad conscience about soccer disasters. I think it a disgrace to the public service that South Yorkshire policemen have won the right to compensation.

 

But it will do Liverpool no good whatsoever in the eyes of the nation if, egged on by ambulance-chasing lawyers, those who saw their relatives killed at Hillsborough now sue for compensation for the “trauma”. Is the pain of losing a relative to be soothed away by a fat cheque?

 

Take my advice, Mr Skinner: least said, soonest mended for Liverpool."

[Big Geordie]

Kelvin Mackenzie trying to shift the blame away from himself.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/kelvin-mackenzie-i-caught-up-11246843

 

The man is a proper cunt.

[NG32]

Those letter are absolutely awful. Dear God.

[Wullie]

Kelvin Mackenzie trying to shift the blame away from himself.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/kelvin-mackenzie-i-caught-up-11246843

 

The man is a proper cunt.

 

Utterly detest that piece of shit.

[Mick]

 

 

Utterly detest that piece of s***.

 

I hope that him and Ingham don't wake up the next time they go to sleep.

[cp40]

 

I'd dig her up and parade her stinking remains through the streets of Liverpool.

 

 

Yorkshire police were terrible and they thought that they could do anything after the miners strike. Policing at Hillsborough became really heavy handed and they treated football fans like scum.  The worst I can remember is when they had us crushed behind the goal, the corner  to our left was closed and nobody could use it, it was awful for the whole 90 minutes when I don't think my feet came into contact with the terracing from kickoff until well after full time.

 

 

posted this earlier in another thread.

 

 

went to Hillsborough one time mid 80s, went on normal bus service- not supporters coaches, getting off at Sheffield we were put in police vans, and literally herded into a giant pen at the back of the leppings lane end, this was the morning btw maybe 10am, we had done nothing wrong. we were held there with no food no drink no toilets until the gate to the match were opened.

 

sheff utd- 90 promotion game, stopped vans driving into Sheffield and escorted us all back to Durham, despite having tickets and no offence had been commited, other than maybe shouldn't carry people in vans.

 

 

Was also at that spurs game- 87,got separated from my dad, I watched the game from the top of a fence as there was no room on the terracing.

[wacko]

Kelvin Mackenzie trying to shift the blame away from himself.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/kelvin-mackenzie-i-caught-up-11246843

 

The man is a proper cunt.

 

I love that the Liverpool Echo writes S*n.

 

 

 

Utterly detest that piece of s***.

 

I hope that him and Ingham don't wake up the next time they go to sleep.

 

That pair of fucks deserve to see it coming. Perhaps we can get that Finnish fella to put them in his hydraulic press. See how they like it.

[Mick]

 

 

 

posted this earlier in another thread.

 

 

went to Hillsborough one time mid 80s, went on normal bus service- not supporters coaches, getting off at Sheffield we were put in police vans, and literally herded into a giant pen at the back of the leppings lane end, this was the morning btw maybe 10am, we had done nothing wrong. we were held there with no food no drink no toilets until the gate to the match were opened.

 

sheff utd- 90 promotion game, stopped vans driving into Sheffield and escorted us all back to Durham, despite having tickets and no offence had been commited, other than maybe shouldn't carry people in vans.

 

 

Was also at that spurs game- 87,got separated from my dad, I watched the game from the top of a fence as there was no room on the terracing.

 

South Yorkshire and Nottingham were as close as we've been to becoming a police state.

[Mick]

 

That pair of f***s deserve to see it coming. Perhaps we can get that Finnish fella to put them in his hydraulic press. See how they like it.

 

The list of people who should do time must be massive, the cover-up is of biblical proportions.  I feel really sorry for the families who have had this hanging over them for so long and even more so for the family members who didn't live to see the verdict.

[Guest chopey]

I must admit there were times in the 80's standing in the scoreboard section of the Gallowgate that I was genuinely scared of us scoring a goal because of the surge forward and then I got home read The Pink and found there was only supposedly 19000 in the ground

[Mick]

I must admit there were times in the 80's standing in the scoreboard section of the Gallowgate that I was genuinely scared of us scoring a goal because of the surge forward and then I got home read The Pink and found there was only supposedly 19000 in the ground

 

 

When Keegan arrived as a player the 2nd game seemed to have more in than the QPR game but the official figures had it lower, no chance.

[cp40]

I must admit there were times in the 80's standing in the scoreboard section of the Gallowgate that I was genuinely scared of us scoring a goal because of the surge forward and then I got home read The Pink and found there was only supposedly 19000 in the ground

 

 

most packed I found the scoreboard was by coincidence against Liverpool mid 80s, 35k in ground, was truly rammed that day.

[Dave]

That statement from the off-duty officer.

[Fugazi]

Not a single mention on the front page of The Sun

[brummie]

Imagine going through this, followed by 27 years of lies and smears.

 

Disgusting.

 

At the gymnasium, families were made to queue outside in the cold, clear night, then eventually brought in and told to look through Polaroid photographs of all those who died, not grouped by age or gender. Families whose loved ones had bus passes or other identifying documents on them were also made to go through this process. When their dead relatives were brought out to them, they were in those body bags. Several parents testified that they were told they could not hold or kiss their dead children because they were “the property of the coroner”.

 

Dr Stefan Popper, the coroner, who approved the arrangements, ordered blood samples to be taken from all victims and tested for alcohol – even the children, including Jon-Paul Gilhooley, the youngest, aged 10. It has now been revealed that some people lying injured in hospital also had their blood taken and tested for alcohol. Popper has never fully explained why he decided it was appropriate to take and test people’s blood.

[Big Geordie]

Not a single mention on the front page of The Sun

 

Why would there be? I wouldn't wipe me arse with that rag.

[Heron]

Seriously?

[Fugazi]

[Foluwashola]

Suppose they'd get stick either way tbf.

 

Still hope everyone associated with the paper lives a horrible existence.

[NUFCDoog]

Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

[NJS]

Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

 

There were 10100 standing places - how many ticketless fans would there have to have been to have had the effect you imply - 2000? 3000?

 

Yeah, right.

 

 

[Disco]

Imagine going through this, followed by 27 years of lies and smears.

 

Disgusting.

 

At the gymnasium, families were made to queue outside in the cold, clear night, then eventually brought in and told to look through Polaroid photographs of all those who died, not grouped by age or gender. Families whose loved ones had bus passes or other identifying documents on them were also made to go through this process. When their dead relatives were brought out to them, they were in those body bags. Several parents testified that they were told they could not hold or kiss their dead children because they were “the property of the coroner”.

 

Dr Stefan Popper, the coroner, who approved the arrangements, ordered blood samples to be taken from all victims and tested for alcohol – even the children, including Jon-Paul Gilhooley, the youngest, aged 10. It has now been revealed that some people lying injured in hospital also had their blood taken and tested for alcohol. Popper has never fully explained why he decided it was appropriate to take and test people’s blood.

 

"Animals" not people. Divide and conquer.