SteveMc Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Good news - so he was going to be used, but things changed with Tiote's cramp and he wasn't. That'll do me (for now). Hope he can be in the team regularly soon though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Good news - so he was going to be used, but things changed with Tiote's cramp and he wasn't. Even then, the change should have come much sooner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Good news - so he was going to be used, but things changed with Tiote's cramp and he wasn't. That'll do me (for now). Hope he can be in the team regularly soon though. Yes he was warming up to come on until Tiote went down, then they rushed Vuckic on. ...and Sammy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Got to say like if I was him I'd be fucking livid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Its just a cheap excuse from Pardew that he only sees him as a No. 10. Between the games that "there wasn´t room for a No. 10", "the game wasn´t right for him (based on physical opponents??)", "we couldn´t tactically justify playing 4-4-1-1" there really isn´t many games he will be able to feature in. Sort it out Pardew. Didn´t you learn anything from the Mascherano/Tevez debacle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Am I right in thinking the earliest tactical substitution we've ever made under Pardew was to take Ben Arfa off against Chelsea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Its just a cheap excuse from Pardew that he only sees him as a No. 10. Between the games that "there wasn´t room for a No. 10", "the game wasn´t right for him (based on physical opponents??)", "we couldn´t tactically justify playing 4-4-1-1" there really isn´t many games he will be able to feature in. Sort it out Pardew. Didn´t you learn anything from the Mascherano/Tevez debacle? This is what worries me as well. Worried he's just going to piss him off, flog him and then he will turn in some class performances elsewhere. With all the comments Pardew has made, you're right there are barely any games he will be involved in and perhaps his best chance is when Ba goes off to ACN but I want to see him in the same line up as Cabaye,Tiote and Ba not our weakened team like it was when he has started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Am I right in thinking the earliest tactical substitution we've ever made under Pardew was to take Ben Arfa off against Chelsea? He also put Ben Arfa on at half time against Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 If he continues not playing it'll be very interesting to see what happens when Ba goes off to the ACoN. If he doesn't play then I think we can assume it's curtains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Am I right in thinking the earliest tactical substitution we've ever made under Pardew was to take Ben Arfa off against Chelsea? He also put Ben Arfa on at half time against Wigan. Well that's shit all over my post, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Shame. Could hear Alanis singing in the distance. She must have headed back now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 This isn't going to end well. Especially given Pardew's previous dealing with big talents. I love Sammy but he's nowhere near a Premier League player yet. To be ahead of Ben Arfa in the pecking order is mental and Hatem should be rightly fucked off. It won't go on much longer before a fuss is kicked up. I was joking about comparing this to the Luque/Roeder situation a while ago, but it looks like that's the road it's going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 This lad must be fuming. Seeing kids come on ahead of him. This won't end well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Am I right in thinking the earliest tactical substitution we've ever made under Pardew was to take Ben Arfa off against Chelsea? He also put Ben Arfa on at half time against Wigan. Obertan vs Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Alright, alright. I've already admitted my mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 This isn't going to end well. Especially given Pardew's previous dealing with big talents. I love Sammy but he's nowhere near a Premier League player yet. To be ahead of Ben Arfa in the pecking order is mental and Hatem should be rightly fucked off. It won't go on much longer before a fuss is kicked up. Agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Puzzling stuff. Guess Pardew really does think he's a number 10 and nothing more I think that's what it boils down to ultimately. At that stage of the game, don't really understand why we need "wingers" any more than we need creativity to unlock a defence, win dangerous freekicks or even a penalty. Ben Arfa would have put them on the back foot and should have come on for Obertan or Jonas when Shola came on for Best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Alright, alright. I've already admitted my mistake. I'm ready to pounce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Puzzling stuff. Guess Pardew really does think he's a number 10 and nothing more I think that's what it boils down to ultimately. At that stage of the game, don't really understand why we need "wingers" any more than we need creativity to unlock a defence, win dangerous freekicks or even a penalty. Ben Arfa would have put them on the back foot and should have come on for Obertan or Jonas when Shola came on for Best. We even could and probably should have brought him on for Tiote. Tiote was looking tired long before he eventually was subbed and he wasn't needed as such today - not as much as we need a holding midfielder normally. To have Cabaye at CM and HBA ahead of him behind 2 strikers could have worked out brilliantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 This is becoming an issue now. I can see HBA throwing a strop and asking for a move if this continues, and soon. Pardew simply doesn't know how to deal with him or use him in the team. Obertan and Sammy ahead of him? Come-fucking-on. Those saying "he isn't a winger mate," what the fuck has Obertan done to justify a place on the right? He can track back all he wants, he's still fucking shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 This is becoming an issue now. I can see HBA throwing a strop and asking for a move if this continues, and soon. Pardew simply doesn't know how to deal with him or use him in the team. Obertan and Sammy ahead of him? Come-fucking-on. Those saying "he isn't a winger mate," what the fuck has Obertan done to justify a place on the right? He can track back all he wants, he's still fucking shite. The thing is that he doesn't even track back, he's lazy as fuck. His decision making makes Martins look like Xavi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I seriously think HBA is on the rocky road out the door. If he couldn't get ito that team - totally bereft of anything today - then he has to accept now Pardew just doesn't fancy him. Obertn FFS - how shit can one player be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Pardew has made a rod for his own back with his "he's a number 10" talk. I don't doubt that given a proper run that'll be his best position but having him on the bench does nowt for him or the team. He'd be a much better option that Obertan, who offers zilch and I can only assume is in for his pace and willingness to track back (forgetting the fact he bottles tackles that are 70-30 in his favour), and it would get him up to full fitness. AP needs too get a handle on the situation as soon as possible or it's going to overshadow the other he's doing. Start him against WBA, up front or on the wing, it doesn't matter. We need his spark especially without Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I've been pretty calm about Ben Arfa's stuttered progress, but for him to be kept out of the team by the likes of Obertan, Shola and Sammy Ameobi - and the manager looking to Vuckic to win us the game - is obviously a concern. I wonder what's going on, but i can't worry about it. The hoo-har about him not playing like he did at Everton seemed daft at first, but if the worries are becoming justified, i really can't be fazed by it. It'll be a shame if he never makes it here, but we can't lose something we never had. Nigel De Jong remains the villain in this whole situation. That said, i've said on numerous occasions that it'll be a year at the very least before we see the best of him. At present though, there's definitely some concerns. I agree with everyone saying that Pardew's missing a trick by persisting with him as a striker. He should get a game on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toondra Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 problem again in ben arfa carreer lol ok so he can't be a starter in newcastle, in which pl team he could be a starter? would he be substitute even in swansea? i really don't understand, the lad got to play somewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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