Ronaldo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 HBA and what he's capable of in a central position on Dailymotion "Ben Arfa et sa Vision du Jeu Surnaturelle" Woah, some of those passes were sublime. But we can't drop Besty, it will change the team dynamics. Damn right it will. Ludicrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The key to that video as well is the off the ball movement of those around him. Ben Arfa had the vision to spot those runs, which were first class. Ba's movement is up there, but I don't think the rest of our players compare in that regard. They also need to get out of the mindset like they have when he's came on in the last two Premier League games, of standing there and just watching him when he's got the ball at his feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The key to that video as well is the off the ball movement of those around him. Ben Arfa had the vision to spot those runs, which were first class. Ba's movement is up there, but I don't think the rest of our players compare in that regard. They also need to get out of the mindset like they have when he's came on in the last two Premier League games, of standing there and just watching him when he's got the ball at his feet. I think Cabaye, Marveaux and Jonas will all work well with Ben Arfa. He's the nearest player we've had to Beardsley and I can't wait to see him playing week in and week out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The reason they don't need someone to hold the ball up is because they have players who are good at controlling the ball and have good technique, so they are able to play the game in the opposition's half. Ben Arfa has sublime skills on the ball and is probably the player that is hardest to get the ball from because he's agile, quick and is so technically good. Ergo, we should play him, because like Jonas, he can help relieve pressure. There are many ways of relieving pressure. Players like Cabaye help us relieve pressure because they are composed on the ball and they don't give it away needlessly. Jonas helps us relieve pressure by being a willing runner with the ball and being someone who doesn't lose the ball without being fouled. Ben Arfa has the same skills as Jonas. He plays a riskier game but he's only done so when the risk was worth taking. I think you've come to a seriously fast conclusion on Ben Arfa's tendencies based on his eagerness to impress when he came on against Spurs, which is a shame because playing the likes of Ben Arfa and Marveaux is the best way to become a team that's able to maintain constant pressure on the opposition team, thus negating the need for a striker who can hold the ball up. You're heading into the wrong direction if you think we need to play Best to hold up the ball and relieve pressure. We need to play Ben Arfa because he's able to dribble past players with ease and by constantly doing this, defenders will back off and thus the pressure will be on the opposition, and not us. That's how we will become a good team. Doing the old having a big striker to hold up play thing isn't the solution and it's obvious that it isn't because none of the better footballing teams on the continent do this. Even a team like Chelsea, when they played Drogba alone up front, was much more technical and Drogba himself is extremely talented. Ba is far more like him than Best because Ba has good control, a decent turn of pace and is also willing to run the channels. Drogba was excellent at relieving pressure for Chelsea and everything went through him being the head of the team so I'm not sure where you're going with that one. You say the better footballing teams in Europe do this but we're not one of them, we don't have the quality of players to be one of them and would get dissected if we tried to play that way, so we do what's effective for us and stick with the solid forward that soaks up all of the pressure and can bring our other players into play from there. If you look at how we played under Robson with Shearer relieving the pressure from the team with the quicker and technical players swarming around and it's similar to the role Best is playing now. Your opinion that Ben Arfa will dribble past players to relieve pressure is all well and good when it comes off but when it doesn't we're instantly back under pressure and that's how it's been for every game he's featured up top for us, is he suddenly going to stop giving the ball away when he's up to speed? Well no and people have already pointed out when defending him that you're going to have to accept that he's going to lose it a lot while trying to be creative. Shearer as the hold up man worked excellent, Drogba in that role worked for Chelsea, Adebayor is making that role work at Spurs and most importantly Best is making that role work for us and until it doesn't there is no reason at all to change it. Shearer and Drogba had great technique and good enough close control to be able to maintain possession when pressured. Ba is more like them than Best is. And again, you're judging Ben Arfa on 180 minutes of football. I think you're being way too hasty. He doesn't have a record or history of losing the ball in key positions. People have said that he takes risks sometimes but he's not the type to take risks in the middle of the park. Look at the Everton match for a good example of what he can do on the ball and how he can help us relieve pressure. I think he lost the ball a few times in that match but all were when taking risks which were worth taking. He wasn't trying to take on the whole team from the halfway line like he tried to do twice against Spurs. I think the Spurs game is a complete one-off and will quickly be forgotten if Ben Arfa has a chance to start many games in a row and get back up to speed. I think Ben Arfa would be even better when we're not forced to score a goal because he'll have loads more space to operate in. Again, the Everton match is a good example of how he can affect a game when he's fully fit, whereas in the Spurs match he came on when Spurs were defending with 9 or at times 10 men and he looked short of sharpness. Best's close control is excellent, it's one of the strongest parts of his game now and it's superior to Ba's. I'm not judging him on 180 minutes of football but it's interesting that you accuse me of judging him on such a short period yet you want me to judge him on the one good game he's had for us in a completely different position. The questions hanging over him are can he form a partnership with Ba, is he capable of getting the amount of goals in that position and are we good enough to carry him when he's having an off day and until he plays and proves to us that he can make us a better team then we're going to go around in circles. As I've said before I'd love him to come in and make us even better but until it happens my doubts will remain. I must admit I'd thought you were a decent poster until this debate. Now I'm starting to think your football knowledge extends to the bloke in your avatar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 HBA and what he's capable of in a central position on Dailymotion "Ben Arfa et sa Vision du Jeu Surnaturelle" Absolutely quality, we just have to get him on the pitch! I would definitely not hesitate to start him RW this weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The team is winning probably because we are playing tight and organize football. As we stand each player is working pretty hard for the team and i think it is a fairly obviously point. Also a fact is that this current team doesnt find it difficult to score goals against those we had went against. We might look better at unlocking stubborn defenses with the flair players but also like a double edge sword , our defense weaken. Our defending is the reason why we are in the top half of the table, until Pardew could bed the flair players into the team while still keeping the defense as solid as it is. Maybe the fans should be patient, i have some confidence that Pardew might slowly get it right especially with HBA...but i am slightly confused with how the team could be setup to play when we include a new number 9 striker into the team.. 4-3-3? its a good headache though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 That video is insane, incredible passing. Is Benzema available BTW? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Every time I catch a video of Ben Arfa, I am absolutely amazed at how good he is. I really hope that he can recover his pace/agility because he was an incredible footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 The key to that video as well is the off the ball movement of those around him. Ben Arfa had the vision to spot those runs, which were first class. Ba's movement is up there, but I don't think the rest of our players compare in that regard. They also need to get out of the mindset like they have when he's came on in the last two Premier League games, of standing there and just watching him when he's got the ball at his feet. I think Cabaye, Marveaux and Jonas will all work well with Ben Arfa. He's the nearest player we've had to Beardsley and I can't wait to see him playing week in and week out. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Every time I catch a video of Ben Arfa, I am absolutely amazed at how good he is. I really hope that he can recover his pace/agility because he was is an incredible footballer. He will get back. Just needs a run of matches. It does not look like he lost the pace. He still have the guts to try to get past a man. His style is based on timing and pace. He need to get the timing correct again, as it all happens in great speeds. If his timing is 0,3 sec off, he will lose the ball. Let him get a run like Obertan got in the start of the season, and he will be a integral part of our team. Personally i am very excited, and can not wait to see him get a extended run of matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I wonder if we'll see a bit of Best/HBA up front in the lead up to Christmas? Or if he'll just go with it once Ba's off on his jollies. Pardew's doing a great job but getting HBA fit and into the side and firing is a big test with us playing so well. Gonna be interesting to see how it pans out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I wonder if we'll see a bit of Best/HBA up front in the lead up to Christmas? Or if he'll just go with it once Ba's off on his jollies. Pardew's doing a great job but getting HBA fit and into the side and firing is a big test with us playing so well. Gonna be interesting to see how it pans out. If you mean leave Ba out in order to let Best/HBA get used to playing together then I can't see it. As much as it would be nice to be able to afford that luxury I just can't see Pardew leaving out his top scorer for any more games than he has to. Of course things change quickly in football, but at the moment it would be madness to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Every time I catch a video of Ben Arfa, I am absolutely amazed at how good he is. I really hope that he can recover his pace/agility because he was an incredible footballer. Same, his level of talent is incredible, and very exciting how he carries the ball with total confidence in such tight spaces. In a funny way he reminds me a bit of Jack Wilshere with more pace and trickery, they both carry the ball straight into space or at defenders with total confidence that they can find a pass. Love watching Wilshere for that reason, even though he's a knob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Don't think people should get on his back if he loses the ball occasionally. Watch that Everton video that everyone continuously jizzes over and he runs into trouble alot in that as well, it's just the way he plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 When we start losing a few matches, that's when we'll see HBA brought in I reckon. He'll offer something different when we need a little boost and I look forward to him producing, I just hope he's ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 If he comes on tomorrow (will be almost certain to be on the bench like), I can definitely see him score a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 When a dirty player plays the victim : “I felt like a war criminal. As if I committed a crime. I didn’t receive a yellow, the ref didn’t even call it foul ( the Ben Arfa challenge). The FA did an assessment and supported the decision. It was a tackle, and unfortunately he broke his leg.” http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/oranje-analysis-midfield.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 When a dirty player plays the victim : “It was a tackle, and unfortunately he I broke his leg.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 When a dirty player plays the victim : “It was a tackle, and unfortunately he I broke his leg.” De Jong invents the auto double-breaking leg theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 He's a very good football player. He doesn't need to play like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Did well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Timewasted well. Best game for us this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Yeah, was good today when he came on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Really promising display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 HAS TO START BY NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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