Alan Pardew

[Neil]

At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level.

 

At the end of the day, what the hell are you smoking?

 

[Shak]

Got lucky yesterday, a loss could have been a turning point for him, especially after sending out the exact same team that looked so shit against Wolves.

 

Really not helping himself in a lot of ways at the moment.

[HawK]

HawK, that's insanely negative man. We've made some good progress since relegation, making the right signings and signing existing players to long contracts, our best league position for ages, and you post something like that? Way over the top IMO.

 

I agree Ashley might never hire a manager who would challenge him, but that's just something we have to deal with and all the more reason to back Pardew.

I think some of these people forget that we were sitting a league below in dire straits only two years ago and were sitting in the bottom half when the man took the helm. They forget that he had to sell his most high profile player two or three weeks into his career here. Anything above seventh for this club, is a great result and it is ridiculous to act like Pardew had no part in this. I am not a supporter of some of the negative football he has employed, but at the same time, he completely changed the formation earlier in the season to give Ben Arfa room to operate. I think he is learning and adjusting and it is good to give him time in which to do so.

 

As this is a thread on Pardew, I won't go into the fact that our progress in no circumstances whatsoever should be measured by how far we've come since we got promoted back. It should be measured from when MA took over, almost 5 years ago in May 2007. Our progress under Pardew is better than Hughton, that I won't argue with, less romantic performances and results but a more pragmatic and effective way to grind out results. But the evidence on the pitch in the previous few months shows a manager who doesn't grasp the fundamentals, today a prime example.

 

At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level.

 

At the end of the day, what the hell are you smoking?

 

 

You are quite daft if you do not think players like Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cisse, Ba, Coloccini and Krul wouldn't be pushing for starting births for most of the top 4-5 clubs in the country, bar City. To argue that every player has to be of this class, is pedantic. You could pick apart any of those sides for weaknesses in certain positions. The point I was making, is with players of this ilk, a better manager than Pardew would be achieving more, because it's not for want of a better starting XI.

[oldtype]

Our players aren't that good.

[SEMTEX]

At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level.

 

At the end of the day, what the hell are you smoking?

 

 

You are quite daft if you do not think players like Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cisse, Ba, Coloccini and Krul wouldn't be pushing for starting births for most of the top 4-5 clubs in the country, bar City. To argue that every player has to be of this class, is pedantic. You could pick apart any of those sides for weaknesses in certain positions. The point I was making, is with players of this ilk, a better manager than Pardew would be achieving more, because it's not for want of a better starting XI.

 

All of the players you've listed would be fringe players in Manchester. Questionnable with Tottenham/Arsenal/Chelsea, especially with Chelsea in their current state. Whilst these players could prove to be good enough for the top 4 in the long run, they're not there yet, or at least they haven't proven they're good enough for a period longer than 6 months.

 

The Geordie stereotype is a lot more real than I had previously imagined. It's upsetting.

[Shak]

Colo could start for any team bar City maybe IMO.

 

Krul, Tiote and Ba are good enough to play in a top four side too IMO, though whether they'd get a game in Manchester/Arsenal/Spurs/Chelsea is certainly debatable.

 

Cabaye, Cisse and Ben Arfa it's too early to say IMO.

 

Our problem is that we have too many shit players, not that we don't have enough good ones. Simpson, Williamson, Raylor, Obertan, Shola should be squad players for a mid table club at best, that we're up in the top six with these lads playing significant roles is commendable.

[S.S.R.]

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[themanupstairs]

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any way to make MON's mouth rumble a la Tiote?

[S.S.R.]

erm... ...ask that Kasper fellow.

[EthiGeordie]

this past two games we lost four points to the minumum we should have got 4 the road a head is diffucult....

[Si]

At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level.

 

At the end of the day, what the hell are you smoking?

 

 

You are quite daft if you do not think players like Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cisse, Ba, Coloccini and Krul wouldn't be pushing for starting births for most of the top 4-5 clubs in the country, bar City. To argue that every player has to be of this class, is pedantic. You could pick apart any of those sides for weaknesses in certain positions. The point I was making, is with players of this ilk, a better manager than Pardew would be achieving more, because it's not for want of a better starting XI.

 

All of the players you've listed would be fringe players in Manchester. Questionnable with Tottenham/Arsenal/Chelsea, especially with Chelsea in their current state. Whilst these players could prove to be good enough for the top 4 in the long run, they're not there yet, or at least they haven't proven they're good enough for a period longer than 6 months.

 

The Geordie stereotype is a lot more real than I had previously imagined. It's upsetting.

 

Agreed.

[BlueStar]

The Mackems really, really hate Pardew like

 

Or "Parjew" as I've seen it spelled on their horrible racist sesspit of a board.

[ExiledGeordie]

 

I don't think our play has been helped by the fact that Cabaye has been awful since the Man U game. When Ben Arfa came on and opened things up giving the two central midfielders more space even Tiote was more incisive and coming forward like he was the creative force ffs.

 

To be fair it took Silva at City a season before he started to really begin to play in this league. It's still early days for Cabaye and you could argue that this is Ben Arfa's first real season too what with the injury. I think both will go on to become much more effective once they've bedded in a bit more.

[Razor]

He could definitely be doing some things better, but as a whole I think he's done a very good job. The team is better defensively, the team spirit from Houghtons reign is still there, he seems to understand the demands of the supporter base. The time to think about better managers was when replacing Houghton, and I agree there could have been better choices (at the time I thought there were an infinitum of better choices). Too often clubs get a run of poor results and replace a manager but forget the downsides of doing so, which results in the merry-go-round of faces a lot of clubs have seen in the past few years. We're relatively settled and the value of that shouldn't be overlooked. Pardew does seem capable of learning, which frankly some managers don't, so I see no reason why he can't improve as we go along.

 

One of the keys imo is getting HBA consistently on the pitch (performing consistently), which after that last 45 mins (and Pardew's comments) should result in him getting the opportunity to do that, if he's there we'll play it more along the carpet and that would fix the majority of our rectifiable problems at the moment. I think he's gotten carried away with the thought of two target men upfront lately. Its clearly going to be up to the hierarchy to decide get in a new right back etc at the end of the season with our setup.

 

Chelsea and Arsenal have been (relatively) poor this season which has allowed us an opportunity which we have half grabbed. The exciting thing is at times we look so fucking good with the ball, but i think it would be unrealistic to expect that to have suddenly become the norm when we were undeniably mid-table last season. Other teams are going to have their periods in any match, but there's a temptation to put that down to being Pardew's or the players fault 100% of the time, which it's clearly not. We don't have a top 4 worthy squad, but that possibility is a damn lot close than it was last season, and Pardew has played his part.

[Tiresias]

Still maintain somewhat that cabayes being hamstrung by playing so deep, but agree in a dip.

[nufc4eva]

Pardew needs to realise he can't play raylor at right midfield with Jonas on other side, leaves us with next to no creativity, with Ben arfa on both sides opened up, don't care if he does lose the ball at times he has 10 times the technique of our other players and takes 2-3 of their players out of play straight away, they were bricking it every time he got the ball and helped tiote n cabaye start to play, need to be more dangerous from wing n needs sorted for next season, 2 dangerous wide men with end product n we would be a match for most teams (oh n new centre half n full back please)

[nufc4eva]

Oh and the long ball game has to stop, ba n cisse given no chance, no need for it really

[Guest palnese]

[Skirge]

Newcastle’s Pardew Outclasses sunderland’s O’Neill

BY JACKIE SMITHFIELD ON MONDAY 5TH MARCH 2012

 

 

Obviously disappointed to have dropped two points against such an average side but after such a poor showing first half and going into injury time one down (after missing a penalty), you have to see it as a moral victory for Newcastle United on the pitch.

 

In the aftermath off the pitch you have to see it as Newcastle claiming another victory, as I have to say that Alan Pardew has gone even further up in my estimation  as he has wiped the floor with Martin O’Neill in the post-match comments….

 

Martin O’Neill “We were coping with them until we went down to 10 men.” Stephane’s (Sessegnon) was a red-card offence and Lee (Cattermole) cannot be doing that sort of thing [swearing at the referee].

 

He should leave it to me, but in mitigation we’d heard some of their staff visited the referee’s room at half-time. Lee felt a lot of decisions went Newcastle’s way in the second half. That’s not saying I agree with that, but I think even Newcastle would agree they were lucky to still have 11 men on the field. Tiote is a fine player, but he was lucky to stay on the pitch”.

 

Alan Pardew “I didn’t like the way it started with the first tackle, it was premeditated and I’m disappointed with that. I think Cattermole would have gone off at any other time. That set the tone, it was more about being physical than anything else.

 

That (visiting the referee) is completely untrue. None of our staff entered the referee’s room or the officials’ dressing room.

 

The game was a little bit unsavoury at times and we probably should have been more grown up about it. If we overstepped the mark, myself included, I apologise.

 

We shake hands at the end and it’s all forgotten, at least in my case. I’d have liked to have a drink and a chat with Martin, but I hear he’s already gone, so I’ll be drinking alone”.

 

What trampy behaviour by O’Neill, making wild claims about allegedly pressurising the referee which he obviously hasn’t seen for himself.

 

The icing on the cake though is the mackem manager scurrying off back to mackemland (or wherever it is in Newcastle he lives if he’s anything like his players!) rather than doing the done thing of having a chat and a drink with his opposite number.

 

I’m beginning to believe it must be true that O’Neill has always been a sunderland fan at heart!

http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-wire/newcastles-pardew-outclasses-sunderlands-oneill/

[Foluwashola]

Hear wor Pards was starting on MONg? 

 

Despite the horrific football he had us playing in the 1st half, what a legend.

[toon25]

 

I don't think our play has been helped by the fact that Cabaye has been awful since the Man U game. When Ben Arfa came on and opened things up giving the two central midfielders more space even Tiote was more incisive and coming forward like he was the creative force ffs.

 

To be fair it took Silva at City a season before he started to really begin to play in this league. It's still early days for Cabaye and you could argue that this is Ben Arfa's first real season too what with the injury. I think both will go on to become much more effective once they've bedded in a bit more.

 

Agree with this 100%. Silva was a good player last year, but this season he's been superb. Am hoping that Cabaye and HBA are having their 'bedding in' season this year and will look to kick on next. Certainly ought to play further up the pitch mind.

[MyPalAl]

 

I don't think our play has been helped by the fact that Cabaye has been awful since the Man U game. When Ben Arfa came on and opened things up giving the two central midfielders more space even Tiote was more incisive and coming forward like he was the creative force ffs.

 

To be fair it took Silva at City a season before he started to really begin to play in this league. It's still early days for Cabaye and you could argue that this is Ben Arfa's first real season too what with the injury. I think both will go on to become much more effective once they've bedded in a bit more.

 

Agree with this 100%. Silva was a good player last year, but this season he's been superb. Am hoping that Cabaye and HBA are having their 'bedding in' season this year and will look to kick on next. Certainly ought to play further up the pitch mind.

 

Totally agree with both posts

[MyPalAl]

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Fantastic!! 

[Guest]

Made the right changes at the right time yesterday anyway. Saw it wasn't working and bringing HBA on changed the game. Even before the sending-off there was only one team going to get the second goal, we battered them from the kick-off when we went back out. Shola for Cisse was the right change too.

 

Fingers crossed he plays HBA from the start at Arsenal.

[Spider Jerusalem]

We shake hands at the end and it’s all forgotten, at least in my case. I’d have liked to have a drink and a chat with Martin, but I hear he’s already gone, so I’ll be drinking alone”.