John Carver

[Kanj]

I said before, I'm pretty much done until he's gone. I'll casually watch the matches, I'll not rearrange my schedules or plan around our matches anymore, sadly. It's a f***ing shame.

 

Still will be on here though tons, mind you

[Unbelievable]

I can't get my head around people saying we couldn't have got a good manager mid season. Many other clubs manage to do it.

 

Name this huge list please, mind you I agree with the notion we could have done. But it's very rare that a manager leaves one club in the middle of the season for another.

 

Spurs went with Sherwood for a reason, most clubs don't make permanent appointments in the middle of a season and if they do they get managers who are out of work.

 

Which is why we shouldn't have f***ed up with Garde, but please can we stop acting like it's a normal thing in a blind crusade against the club.

 

I don't want to sound like this, because I hate these assholes but at least try to be level headed for once.

 

 

Are you seriously suggesting it is uncommon for Premier League clubs to appoint an actual football manager midseason? Every season a significant number of PL managers gets sacked, resign or are poached, and most of the time these club waste no time finding a suitable replacement because they understand the importance of having an actual manager rather than a glorified coach/yes man. These appointments don’t always work out obviously, but there is absolutely no guarantee that waiting until the end of the season will work out better for us in the long run as Charnley would have you believe. That’s if you even believe that we have deferred the decision to appoint a new manager because we want to wait for our preferred candidates to become available in the summer, which I don’t.

 

What this whole charade is, is just Mike Ashley re-inventing the sport again as he did when he gave Pardew and his staff 8 year deals in the name of stability. It’s gambling that Carver has enough about him to keep us up, not just this season but over the course of a season. If he does, the job is his. The last thing Mike Ashley wants is a powerful manager who will put pressure on him to invest even what the club earns itself in a bid to move the club forward. If he can get away with not appointing a manager (“head coach”) at all, what makes you think he won’t?

 

Who are these great managers that have been brought-in mid-season over the past few years? Pochettino is really the only one who stands out. Maybe Garry Monk at a stretch. Doesn't make sense to include Benitez, because only at Chelsea would he have been considered the expensive stop gap that he was and only a few clubs would be able to attract him mid-season.

 

Carver's a disappointing hire and a cop out. But let's not act like we're alone in hiring underwhelming mid-season replacements. Most quality managers aren't going to make the jump mid-season. There's too much risk involved.

 

Who mentioned "great" or "quality" managers? If you think we are getting one of those in the summer you are seriously deluded. There were good managers available. Remi Garde was keen by all accounts. Tuchel could perhaps have been convinced if we were willing to negotiate with Mainz too. Put it this way, how many clubs in the Premier League do you know who have gone half a season without a manager to save a few pounds? Defending the indefensible here imo, and incredibly naive if you cannot see where this is headed.

 

Could do without the patronizing, considering you know exactly as much as I do. Your intuition certainly isn't worth enough to toss terms like "deluded" or "naive" at me. You have exactly as much chance of being proved incorrect as I do.

 

By all accounts, those managers also had reservations about taking the job now. Garde and Tuchel are both taking a sabbatical, that's been well-established numerous times. de Boer, Galtier, and McClaren are all doing well with their respective clubs. Taking a step back and appraising the situation objectively, would you leave a club in contention to join a mid-table Newcastle United in mid-season? If you're Garde or Tuchel and allegedly have your sights set on bigger things, why would you rush into a club where you're under pressure to produce results immediately with players you've never worked with? Why not wait until summer, when you can come in and have several months to get a feel for your squad before the season begins?

 

I don't like Carver being in the position any more than you do, but I've said in the past that I'll withstand a half-season of Carver if it means we get a good manager/head coach (semantics, btw) in the summer. And I'll take that over hiring a Tony Pulis or Tim Sherwood to step in immediately. I don't believe Carver will see us relegated nor do I believe the club sees him as a long-term candidate. And he doesn't nearly have the support, record, or contractual obligations that Pardew could wield against them.

 

If summer comes and they pull a 180 by giving Carver the full-time gig, well, shame on me. But I'm willing to let this play out until then.

 

Cue the "regime apologist" drivel.

 

Apologies if that came across as condescending Deuce, but I'm properly gobsmacked about your opinion on this matter. Intuition? Really!? It's like the past 7.5 years never happened. If you don't think John Carver getting the job permanently in the summer is a very realistic proposition under Mike Ashley I don't have any kinder way of expressing that as being 'naive'.

 

Would a manager in contention or on a "sabbitical" join a "midtable" club like Newcastle in midseason? I don't see why not. Money talks, and we are still a big club in one of the biggest leagues in the world. I don't believe for a second that other, similar size clubs would have had any trouble luring a proper manager. Of course, they would have been prepared to pay what it costs to get a good manager in the first place and make it an attractive proposition by allowing them to put their stamp on the squad, which are things that are far more likely to cause a major problem in tempting the level of candidate you seem to think we will attract in a few months time than any lack of intrinsic interest in joining a club of our stature in midseason.

 

To suggest any new manager would have been under huge pressure to get results right from the off is drivel too. The vast majority of fans would have understood this second half of the season was a period of getting to know the squad and preparing for the summer transfer window. As it is, we will probably spend all summer with uncertainty about the manager situation paralysing everything at the club, players wanting away etc. As ever with Ashley, when he has a decision to make that could potentially take the club forward, prepare for the worst.

[Deuce]

I never said it wasn't a realistic proposition. I just don't believe that it'll happen. And I don't think that's something to be dismissed so flippantly.

 

I see an owner who, though lacking in ambition, does not want us relegated. I don't think they believe we're going to be relegated this season, and neither do I. But I believe we will struggle and Carver will prove himself unfit for the job long-term. It'll take more than a few token wins for Carver to convince them to keep him on past the end of the season.

[mrmojorisin75]

A jammy draw against Burnley and 3 losses is canny going like:

 

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We really need to get battered regularly now.

 

Aye, I really miss the Championship.

 

That's exactly where we'll be in 2016 if Carver's in charge next season.

 

I want Carver to be replaced as much as the next man but he's here until the summer and we need to pick up the points to stay in the Premiership.

 

Kaka said he was in favour of regular batterings, not failing to pick up enough points for survival. I personally hope we narrowly win 4 games and lose the rest 9-0.

Agree with this 100%.

 

And Deuce, I think the issue for most (certainly me) is that there were good coaches available now who we could have gone for and persuaded to come but we spent a month not really bothering, then announced Carver under the guise of some great strategic search for 'the right man' type bollocks.

 

There won't be a search, they'll wait and see if someone good knocks on the door otherwise it's carver, we all know this.

 

They've used up every last drop of benefit of the doubt years ago like.

[Dave]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-head-coach-john-8544521

 

[r0cafella]

Music to mikes ears

[BlueStar]

I’m not interested in who is coming in or who is going out.

 

You'd think you might at least take an interest like, what with being head coach and that.

[Dave]

It's so fundamentally flawed man. He just sets up the team. But he doesn't know what team he might have, and doesn't care. How can that possibly make sense?

[Village Idiot]

Such a good slave he is.

[BlueStar]

Carver insisted he didn’t know anything about Racing Santander’s 18-year-old winger David Concha or Sporting Gijon’s 17-year-old defender Jorge Mere, both of whom could be on their way to St James’ Park.

 

He said: “There you go. You could be telling me something I don’t know anything about. I only knew about the two Spanish lads when it got mentioned before.

 

I might just turn up and tell him I'm the new rightback, might get a game.

[Dave]

Carver insisted he didn’t know anything about Racing Santander’s 18-year-old winger David Concha or Sporting Gijon’s 17-year-old defender Jorge Mere, both of whom could be on their way to St James’ Park.

 

He said: “There you go. You could be telling me something I don’t know anything about. I only knew about the two Spanish lads when it got mentioned before.

 

I might just turn up and tell him I'm the new rightback, might get a game.

 

While you're there, you might as well tell him Sissoko and Perez have been sold. Doesn't make any difference to what he does apparently.

[jdckelly]

I never watch the press conferences, maybe that's the reason for my lower hate levels. Football interviews in general are an endless stream of platitudes and nonsense.

I'm very much of the same opinion, why even bother watching it let alone get upset by it, its pr nonsense not worth noting (and this applies to all managers everywhere)

[Guest firetotheworks]

He's so deliciously out of his depth that he can't even fake it, man.

[Unbelievable]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-head-coach-john-8544521

 

 

We went from Keegan walking out of his dream job when it turned out he didn't have final say to this idiot saying he wouldn't even care who comes in or who goes out. We might as well give up, Mike has won.

[Guest JS]

That's one of the worst things I've read in ages. Equal amounts of pure , and bemusement.

 

A head coach who doesn't care what players he actually has to, er, coach. And communicate with.

[KaKa]

Carver is absolutely shameless. You won't find a more desperate man.

 

He's clearly been given the job full time too, by the way.

[Village Idiot]

More willing to fight fans than transfers. Here you have mr. John Carver, football manager.

[Disco]

I genuinely hope he has a severe mental breakdown during the next few months. Good thing is, given some more poor results and pressure it may well happen.

[mrmojorisin75]

I can't get myself outraged at this 'head coach' system tbh, it produces good players when it's allowed to, the problem is the restrictions placed on it in terms of balancing the squad.

 

I see the gash that Bruce, Pardew, and whoever buy before failing then leaving the club with a payoff to deal with all their shit and I think how we're setting up isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

We just need a manager capable of dealing with it, rather than the shit we've had/got.

[Village Idiot]

Even in Europe managers do get an input on transfers and sales, it's just not their final decision. I guess that having somebody like Carver NOT giving a crap about transfers is actually a net positive, but it's still a terrible attitude for a manager to have. He's the guy that sees the team every day, he should be more aware than anybody else at the club of the squad's needs.

[AlanSkÃrare]

His quotes . This is going to be painful.

[Parky]

This is all way beyond a farce now.

[merlin]

I seen to be the only one here who doesn't loathe him. Had no problems watching that.

 

I think he was completely out of line abusing the fans the way he did after the shambles that 2014 was. He deserved every bit of doubt and mistrust sent his way. He talks a big game, but has never actually achieved anything in football apart from be Sir Bobby's assistant many years ago. Many people rightly see him as part of the old boys club who are happy to steal a living from NUFC without actually providing much value.

 

The only upside of hearing his interviews is that I don't have to hear al pards mmm and aaaahhh, his incoherent English and his arrogant twang.

 

I agree that his behaviour at the Southampton game was despicable and of course he shouldn't be our manager but the hatred towards him here is of Pardewesque proportions.

What do you expect..? He abused the supporters at Southampton after they made their feelings known about the dire situation of the club and of Pardew's management and the fans were perfectly justified in doing so. He is now Ashley's representative as Pardew was before him and he has achieved nothing of any note in football...even less than Pardew.

The 'hatred' you talk about is aimed primarily at Ashley, but as he never comments or has any interest in forming a relationship with the club's customers(i.e. fans), all the vitriol will go towards his 'men', Carver being the main football rep appointed by Ashley. Its the same thing as a customer rep at a company takes the abuse if the company falls down on service etc but in this case, the 'Customer Service' rep has personally abused some customers who complained.

If you take Ashley's shilling, expect to be abused as a willing part of a lousy outfit. As it happens, I have no personal feelings about Carver whatsoever, but I know he is not up to a full-time role as manager of NUFC and probably not even for the time he has INITIALLY(note that...)been given the job.

[Darth Crooks]

'Promote from within' . It's carvers gig. Make no mistake.

[Yorkie]

Aye I've tried to remain positive having been caught up in the excitement of Pardew's leaving, but the handling of affairs since his departure has been utterly farcical. Every single word being uttered by the club represents a total farce. And there absolutely no one there to throw a spanner in the works. Feels very much like Ashley's won, at this point.