Chicane Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I still have mixed feelings about Carr, like Obviously he brought in McClaren which is a big red mark on his profile. Whether that was because they were mates or because he actually thought it was a good appointment I don't know, either way it was a terrible decision. To what extent he was complicit and another patsy/yes man for Ashley I'm not sure either. He did want to resign when Uncle Joe became DoF (IIRC), and I want to believe that was because he knew the guy was a joke and (maybe) wanted no part of that setup with him involved. What I mean is that I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt that he actually wanted the best for the club. He also brought in a fair share of duds like fucking Riviere, but, it's hard to know how far down the list guys like that were. Also have to look at the managers guys like Cabella/Thauvin played under. He DID bring in some genuine talent like Cabaye and others. I've seen some argue that oh, the French league wasn't being scouted much then by other clubs so we had an untapped market, which seems like a ridiculous argument honestly. So idk how I feel about the guy really, I think I can say that of all the jokers and assholes of the Ashley regime, Carr is probably low down on my hate list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 He DID bring in some genuine talent like Cabaye and others. I've seen some argue that oh, the French league wasn't being scouted much then by other clubs so we had an untapped market, which seems like a ridiculous argument honestly. There was literally no competition for Tiote, Ben Arfa over here, Cabaye (apart from Houllier at Villa who knew about him), Debuchy, Sissoko, Mbiwa (didn’t work out but he’d just captained a team to Ligue 1). No one over here even looked like buying them. By the time we were getting the likes of Cabella & Rivière, other clubs were looking to that market. Big example being Swansea who outbid us for Gomis & Ayew, and QPR who sneaked in and got Remy. 1-2 years earlier they’d have signed for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Hate Ashley and Charnley but Carr and Terrahawk should never have left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I still have mixed feelings about Carr, like Obviously he brought in McClaren which is a big red mark on his profile. Whether that was because they were mates or because he actually thought it was a good appointment I don't know, either way it was a terrible decision. To what extent he was complicit and another patsy/yes man for Ashley I'm not sure either. He did want to resign when Uncle Joe became DoF (IIRC), and I want to believe that was because he knew the guy was a joke and (maybe) wanted no part of that setup with him involved. What I mean is that I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt that he actually wanted the best for the club. He also brought in a fair share of duds like f***ing Riviere, but, it's hard to know how far down the list guys like that were. Also have to look at the managers guys like Cabella/Thauvin played under. He DID bring in some genuine talent like Cabaye and others. I've seen some argue that oh, the French league wasn't being scouted much then by other clubs so we had an untapped market, which seems like a ridiculous argument honestly. So idk how I feel about the guy really, I think I can say that of all the jokers and assholes of the Ashley regime, Carr is probably low down on my hate list Nowt stopping him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Can't believe we're having to talk about this bloke again. First Shola. Colback. Carr. Nearly Allardyce. Who's next? Llambias? Kinnear again? Fuck this pathetic bag of shit club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Welcome back. Now find saleable assets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Welcome back. Now find saleable assets. And get a 15 goal a season striker for £7m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Carr was good at what he did, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Buy unsuitable players for an unsuitable manager; great idea from the brains trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Isn’t Carr like 93 now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Carr was good at what he did, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Carr was good at what he did, tbf. Very good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Carr’s top choices like the list at the top of this page were fucked about by Llambias, Charnley and Ashley. The 7th choice purchases that Carr found are the same as Nickson and Rafa. It hasn’t changed. We’ve had good scouting for some time but ass negotiating at a snails pace and a man who’s willing to only splash money at shit fucking retail brands and stores only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 aye people have to remember that the players he often brought in werent even first or second choice. saying that though - whats the point if there's not a decent coach to utikise/develop them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Don't mind Carr coming back tbh, it's just everything else. Not that any of this is worth caring about anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Like others have said, if the manager is wrong it's all pointless. These goofballs man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 There’s barely another scout around that could work to the conditions Carr worked under and produce the success rate he did. Sissoko and wijnaldum just played in a CL final against each other and we had both of them. It doesn't matter man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 There’s barely another scout around that could work to the conditions Carr worked under and produce the success rate he did. Sissoko and wijnaldum just played in a CL final against each other and we had both of them. In a relegated team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Like others have said, if the manager is wrong it's all pointless. These goofballs man! Exactly Its basically having the worlds best goalie with the worlds shittest defence. Our scouts are sandwiched between shit manager that will take their identified players backward and a boardroom that fuck up any approach to targets they line up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 He's an agent, not a scout for starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Also didn't see anyone else touch him after Rafa sacked him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Agent/scout, whichever way you want to describe him he was identifying targets a year or two before the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Nut loves Carr forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Like others have said, if the manager is wrong it's all pointless. These goofballs man! This sums up the entire situation. It's all well and good listing names of players who we could have had, but the reality is that these players would be half the players they are now with the management and coaching they'd have received with us at the time. The second issue is that even if we do uncover a gem and sell for big money, the money isn't reinvested so the whole thing becomes moot. Our only joy is to have an opportunity to see the odd decent player. There is absolutely zero chance that we become a Dortmund or RB Leipzig or even Spurs, which is what I believe those who are open to this idea are hoping for. The underlying issues at the club are still the exact same, it's just been repackaged/rebranded. The saddest thing is that is that a large number of fans will buy this and some of the comments in this thread are testament to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 There's absolutely nothing positive about Carr coming back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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