ujpest doza Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I can go along with this. I feel he's slightly overrated on here. I think he's okay but nowhere near as good as he is described on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Huge amount of potential and hasn't really been given a decent run in the side. Pretty much our only midfielder who is capable of passing the ball quickly rather holding up play. Hope we either put a huge sell-on percentage clause in the sale or a price to buy him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've never been able to understand why he's so highly regarded here. He arrived as a young lad with a lot of potential but really only ever had about 2 months of good football for us. He's not a better player than any of our main options at CM (Colback, Anita, Tiote, Wijnaldum) so it's always baffled me how so many people say he should be a starter - he's a championship player at best and that's about as good as he'll ever be IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Unless Tiote recovers form, he's also our only capable defensive midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 he had great games against City and Liverpool and was banished to the bench for the majority of the rest of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've never been able to understand why he's so highly regarded here. He arrived as a young lad with a lot of potential but really only ever had about 2 months of good football for us. He's not a better player than any of our main options at CM (Colback, Anita, Tiote, Wijnaldum) so it's always baffled me how so many people say he should be a starter - he's a championship player at best and that's about as good as he'll ever be IMO. I'm not sure people are advocating him as a starter are they? But as a squad player I'd be more than happy to see him off stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 One of those who, by McClaren's words, could do with a chance before unloading. Probably a victim as we can't shift any of the other turd we have. Ah well, at least the likes of Williamson, Gouffran and Obertan got a fair crack of the whip and look like they will be involved plenty this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Not good news to wake up to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 What a shit move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've never been able to understand why he's so highly regarded here. He arrived as a young lad with a lot of potential but really only ever had about 2 months of good football for us. He's not a better player than any of our main options at CM (Colback, Anita, Tiote, Wijnaldum) so it's always baffled me how so many people say he should be a starter - he's a championship player at best and that's about as good as he'll ever be IMO. I'm not sure people are advocating him as a starter are they? But as a squad player I'd be more than happy to see him off stay. I'm not one to go hunting down quotes but that appears to be the general consensus. On your post on the last page you did say worth of a place in the first team squad, by that I'm not sure if you meant the actual 25-man squad or starting XI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Unless Tiote recovers form, he's also our only capable defensive midfielder. This is it like. People can point to Colback, Anita, Wijnaldum and Sissoko all being better (which I don't agree with, but that's beside the point), but none of them are effective as a defensive midfielder breaking up play and imposing themselves against physically strong teams. Add to that Abeid was originally an attacking midfield player whose passing isn't too shabby either, and what you have imo is a specialist who, in that position, is better than anything else we currently have for that particular position, which just happens to be a crucial position if you want to play more attacking formations like a 433/451/4231. Probably sell him for a pittance too, so what even is the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've never been able to understand why he's so highly regarded here. He arrived as a young lad with a lot of potential but really only ever had about 2 months of good football for us. He's not a better player than any of our main options at CM (Colback, Anita, Tiote, Wijnaldum) so it's always baffled me how so many people say he should be a starter - he's a championship player at best and that's about as good as he'll ever be IMO. Nah, not having this like. He is miles better than Colback in a central defensive role. Much more imposing and confident on the ball and has a rhythm to his passing that Colback doesn't. He's also been calmer than Tiote in the games he played. Abeid never got a fair run in the side but the potential he showed in that run of matches was enough for many to see that he could have been a very good midfielder in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Fucking hell. Tiote, obertan and gouffran all moe deserving then eh? I know they are different positions but it's not the dead wood being peddled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Would be an extremely bad move but we are the club that got rid of Ben Arfa for free and sold Mbiwa to be a starter in Roma and kept Williamson instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've never been able to understand why he's so highly regarded here. He arrived as a young lad with a lot of potential but really only ever had about 2 months of good football for us. He's not a better player than any of our main options at CM (Colback, Anita, Tiote, Wijnaldum) so it's always baffled me how so many people say he should be a starter - he's a championship player at best and that's about as good as he'll ever be IMO. He's only had about 2 months of football full stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Would be an extremely bad move but we are the club that got rid of Ben Arfa for free and sold Mbiwa to be a starter in Roma and kept Williamson instead. Almost laughable isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 If we had kept Ben Arfa, Santon, Yanga-Mbiwa (and Abeid?) rather than get rid for pennies and added to it what we have we would have one hell of a squad to go into the new season. As it is, it's one step forward then one step back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've never been able to understand why he's so highly regarded here. He arrived as a young lad with a lot of potential but really only ever had about 2 months of good football for us. He's not a better player than any of our main options at CM (Colback, Anita, Tiote, Wijnaldum) so it's always baffled me how so many people say he should be a starter - he's a championship player at best and that's about as good as he'll ever be IMO. He's only had about 2 months of football full stop. He hasn't played football even in a terrible side such as ours under any managers whether it be Pardew, Charver (not that that counts for much) or McClaren and he's off to a fucking 4th division German side - if he was that good and there was potential there then other, better clubs would be looking at him, even as a cut-price option. As I've said, even Perch and Williamson had their spells when they looked fantastic, so did this lad but the reality is he isn't and never will be good enough. I really don't rate him, but I'd still have him ahead of Gouffran - but that's about the best I can give him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Would be an extremely bad move but we are the club that got rid of Ben Arfa for free and sold Mbiwa to be a starter in Roma and kept Williamson instead. Only way we will get rid of him is pay his contract up.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 4th division? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Strewth. Mike Williamson looked fantastic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 4th division? 2nd division. My earlier post may have confused - they're playing a cup game against a 4th division side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Most players are better off out of our shambolic club so good luck to anyone who moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Ah fair do's - still a poor standard regardless. Let's see what happens with him, regardless of what happens. Me and this board will never agree on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've never been able to understand why he's so highly regarded here. He arrived as a young lad with a lot of potential but really only ever had about 2 months of good football for us. He's not a better player than any of our main options at CM (Colback, Anita, Tiote, Wijnaldum) so it's always baffled me how so many people say he should be a starter - he's a championship player at best and that's about as good as he'll ever be IMO. I'm not sure people are advocating him as a starter are they? But as a squad player I'd be more than happy to see him off stay. I'm not one to go hunting down quotes but that appears to be the general consensus. On your post on the last page you did say worth of a place in the first team squad, by that I'm not sure if you meant the actual 25-man squad or starting XI. By saying first team 'squad' I'd assume it's obvious that I was meaning squad, if not I'd have said first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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