Kanj Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 No, we shouldn't. Just a shame all that talent belongs to such a mercenary. No set of fans will remember his name in 10 years. Would you consider taking him back knowing full on he's mercenary (knowing his true colors) if it meant he'd be our main central option and Remy & HBA would be on the flanks? Helping us massively in the goal scoring department? Just curious your thoughts. Probably not, mate. I think we got the best 18 months of his career out of him anyway, tbh. Much rather we look elsewhere at a player who'd get the absolute out of the likes of Hatem and Remy. Fair statement, and the most preferable. Shame that the best striker we've had since Shearer was such a mercenary. He'd have scored many many more goals for us had he not left. In an ideal world, I'm with you - someone better to get the best of out Hatem & Remy for sure. But I'd not say no to the opportunity to get Ba, if that was our only option -- if that makes sense? Disco's pretty spot-on above though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sick of this mercenary talk regarding Demba Ba. Since you mention Shearer, I'd wager Ba wasn't even on half the money Shearer was on for us, at a time where professional football wages are probably more than double what they were back then on average. We got a very good player on a free and on a fairly low wage; we took a gamble on him (his knee primarily) at a time when nobody else would, but being the cheapskates we are, we were never going to offer a top Premiership striker a wage befitting a top Premiership striker, so he left to a club that would. In my line of business, if I feel undervalued and have an opportunity to earn more than double elsewhere, I wouldn't think twice, but in the wonderful world of football fans somehow expect the players that represent their club, without any (prior) affection for it, to be loyal to the point where they happily expect the players accepting their club taking the p*ss out of them (relatively speaking, I appreciate the wages are still massive in absolute terms, but that's not how high earning people think, football players or not). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sick of this mercenary talk regarding Demba Ba. Since you mention Shearer, I'd wager Ba wasn't even on half the money Shearer was on for us, at a time where professional football wages are probably more than double what they were back then on average. We got a very good player on a free and on a fairly low wage; we took a gamble on him (his knee primarily) at a time when nobody else would, but being the cheapskates we are, we were never going to offer a top Premiership striker a wage befitting a top Premiership striker, so he left to a club that would. In my line of business, if I feel undervalued and have an opportunity to earn more than double elsewhere, I wouldn't think twice, but in the wonderful world of football fans somehow expect the players that represent their club, without any (prior) affection for it, to be loyal to the point where they happily expect the club taking the p*ss out of them (relatively speaking, I appreciate the wages are still massive in absolute terms, but that's not how high earning people think, football player or not). Nonsense, there is no way any of our current players would leave to go to Chelsea. Ba even played well just to get a move, thankfully Cisse isn't that greedy with his deliberately playing shit not to get a move commitment, gawd bless him Oh and Nolan wasn't a mercenary despite dropping down a league to secure a better deal, oh no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sick of this mercenary talk regarding Demba Ba. Since you mention Shearer, I'd wager Ba wasn't even on half the money Shearer was on for us, at a time where professional football wages are probably more than double what they were back then on average. We got a very good player on a free and on a fairly low wage; we took a gamble on him (his knee primarily) at a time when nobody else would, but being the cheapskates we are, we were never going to offer a top Premiership striker a wage befitting a top Premiership striker, so he left to a club that would. In my line of business, if I feel undervalued and have an opportunity to earn more than double elsewhere, I wouldn't think twice, but in the wonderful world of football fans somehow expect the players that represent their club, without any (prior) affection for it, to be loyal to the point where they happily expect the club taking the p*ss out of them (relatively speaking, I appreciate the wages are still massive in absolute terms, but that's not how high earning people think, football player or not). Listen man, if a player leaves the club, YOUR club, the club you love, the club you put time and money into all year every year, simply because someone else is offering him more cash you cant just expect fans to think nothing of it. The whole 'well if i got offered more money in a new job i'd take it' argument is a total irrelevance due to the difference in World normal people and footballers live in. Rightly or wrongly people will feel aggrieved because ultimately fans want the players to want to play for the club for us, not for money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sick of this mercenary talk regarding Demba Ba. Since you mention Shearer, I'd wager Ba wasn't even on half the money Shearer was on for us, at a time where professional football wages are probably more than double what they were back then on average. We got a very good player on a free and on a fairly low wage; we took a gamble on him (his knee primarily) at a time when nobody else would, but being the cheapskates we are, we were never going to offer a top Premiership striker a wage befitting a top Premiership striker, so he left to a club that would. In my line of business, if I feel undervalued and have an opportunity to earn more than double elsewhere, I wouldn't think twice, but in the wonderful world of football fans somehow expect the players that represent their club, without any (prior) affection for it, to be loyal to the point where they happily expect the club taking the p*ss out of them (relatively speaking, I appreciate the wages are still massive in absolute terms, but that's not how high earning people think, football player or not). Listen man, if a player leaves the club, YOUR club, the club you love, the club you put time and money into all year every year, simply because someone else is offering him more cash you cant just expect fans to think nothing of it. The whole 'well if i got offered more money in a new job i'd take it' argument is a total irrelevance due to the difference in World normal people and footballers live in. Rightly or wrongly people will feel aggrieved because ultimately fans want the players to want to play for the club for us, not for money. That's probably the sentimental side of it. In the real world, none of our players (except Shola and Taylor maybe) wouldn't even play for us if we hadn't offered them a better deal than they were on at their previous club. Why do you think players like Anita, Debuchy and Cabaye are even here, whilst they could have continued to represent the club that brought them through and that the probably have genuine feelings for? In the same vein, why do you expect these mercenaries who left their clubs for us, to decline better offers when they are available, to stay at a club like ours, without ambition to even compete and unwilling to pay the going rate. We are a stepping stone of a club, lucky to be in (one of) the most prestigious football leagues in the world, and that's exactly how our owner wants it. Blame him, not the players who are being traded in this system, not only to better their own career, but also to further our (owner's) interests. Specifically looking at the Demba Ba case, he came in for free, left for 7.5 million, probably earned less than that in wages in his time here and scored a shitload. How anybody could brand him a mercenary who only looked after his own interest is quite frankly staggering. What does that make our club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Would take him back in a heartbeat Don't care that he chose to join a better team for more money, you are deluding yourself if you think loyalty exists in football We gladly take players from other clubs with the lure of money, we have to accept players will leave for money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sick of this mercenary talk regarding Demba Ba. Since you mention Shearer, I'd wager Ba wasn't even on half the money Shearer was on for us, at a time where professional football wages are probably more than double what they were back then on average. We got a very good player on a free and on a fairly low wage; we took a gamble on him (his knee primarily) at a time when nobody else would, but being the cheapskates we are, we were never going to offer a top Premiership striker a wage befitting a top Premiership striker, so he left to a club that would. In my line of business, if I feel undervalued and have an opportunity to earn more than double elsewhere, I wouldn't think twice, but in the wonderful world of football fans somehow expect the players that represent their club, without any (prior) affection for it, to be loyal to the point where they happily expect the club taking the p*ss out of them (relatively speaking, I appreciate the wages are still massive in absolute terms, but that's not how high earning people think, football player or not). Listen man, if a player leaves the club, YOUR club, the club you love, the club you put time and money into all year every year, simply because someone else is offering him more cash you cant just expect fans to think nothing of it. The whole 'well if i got offered more money in a new job i'd take it' argument is a total irrelevance due to the difference in World normal people and footballers live in. Rightly or wrongly people will feel aggrieved because ultimately fans want the players to want to play for the club for us, not for money. That's probably the sentimental side of it. In the real world, none of our players (except Shola and Taylor maybe) wouldn't even play for us if we hadn't offered them a better deal than they were on at their previous club. Why do you think players like Anita, Debuchy and Cabaye are even here, whilst they could have continued to represent the club that brought them through and that the probably have genuine feelings for? In the same vein, why do you expect these mercenaries who left their clubs for us, to decline better offers when they are available, to stay at a club like ours, without ambition to even compete and unwilling to pay the going rate. We are a stepping stone of a club, lucky to be in (one of) the most prestigious football leagues in the world, and that's exactly how our owner wants it. Blame him, not the players who are being traded in this system, not only to better their own career, but also to further our (owner's) interests. Specifically looking at the Demba Ba case, he came in for free, left for 7.5 million, probably earned less than that in wages in his time here and scored a shitload. How anybody could brand him a mercenary who only looked after his own interest is quite frankly staggering. What does that make our club? I'm not blaming anyone. I'm not really bothered. I'm just pointing out some of the reasons why people may be upset. With Ba specifically, I thought it was the attitude of him and his entourage that left a bitter taste in the mouth. Getting 'his big move' . But thats just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sick of this mercenary talk regarding Demba Ba. Since you mention Shearer, I'd wager Ba wasn't even on half the money Shearer was on for us, at a time where professional football wages are probably more than double what they were back then on average. We got a very good player on a free and on a fairly low wage; we took a gamble on him (his knee primarily) at a time when nobody else would, but being the cheapskates we are, we were never going to offer a top Premiership striker a wage befitting a top Premiership striker, so he left to a club that would. In my line of business, if I feel undervalued and have an opportunity to earn more than double elsewhere, I wouldn't think twice, but in the wonderful world of football fans somehow expect the players that represent their club, without any (prior) affection for it, to be loyal to the point where they happily expect the club taking the p*ss out of them (relatively speaking, I appreciate the wages are still massive in absolute terms, but that's not how high earning people think, football player or not). Listen man, if a player leaves the club, YOUR club, the club you love, the club you put time and money into all year every year, simply because someone else is offering him more cash you cant just expect fans to think nothing of it. The whole 'well if i got offered more money in a new job i'd take it' argument is a total irrelevance due to the difference in World normal people and footballers live in. Rightly or wrongly people will feel aggrieved because ultimately fans want the players to want to play for the club for us, not for money. That's probably the sentimental side of it. In the real world, none of our players (except Shola and Taylor maybe) wouldn't even play for us if we hadn't offered them a better deal than they were on at their previous club. Why do you think players like Anita, Debuchy and Cabaye are even here, whilst they could have continued to represent the club that brought them through and that the probably have genuine feelings for? In the same vein, why do you expect these mercenaries who left their clubs for us, to decline better offers when they are available, to stay at a club like ours, without ambition to even compete and unwilling to pay the going rate. We are a stepping stone of a club, lucky to be in (one of) the most prestigious football leagues in the world, and that's exactly how our owner wants it. Blame him, not the players who are being traded in this system, not only to better their own career, but also to further our (owner's) interests. Specifically looking at the Demba Ba case, he came in for free, left for 7.5 million, probably earned less than that in wages in his time here and scored a shitload. How anybody could brand him a mercenary who only looked after his own interest is quite frankly staggering. What does that make our club? I'm not blaming anyone. I'm not really bothered. I'm just pointing out some of the reasons why people may be upset. With Ba specifically, I thought it was the attitude of him and his entourage that left a bitter taste in the mouth. Getting 'his big move' . But thats just me. its the "entourage" that really bugs me why is there a need for numerous agents amd hangers on who demand compensation for moving him around and is probably the main reason why Ba to return is a complete non starter, think the club had enough of dealing with them last time. Fucking leeches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Normally I'm precious about players being dicks/mercenaries but Ba was absolutely superb for for us. That hat-trick away at Stoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/36784-ba-i-don-t-go-clubbing-after-newcastle.php Ba: "I don't go clubbing after Newcastle" Chelsea striker Demba Ba (L) (Action Images) by Patrick Jennings3rd December 2013 3:31pm GMT Chelsea striker Demba Ba has revealed he found it difficult to reconcile his religious beliefs with a party lifestyle favoured by some Newcastle United players during his time on Tyneside. Ba, 28, left Newcastle to join Chelsea in January after one and a half seasons at the North-East club. Speaking to French publication So Foot, Ba, who is a practising Muslim, said of his stay at Newcastle: “My behaviour was never bad but let's say it was not what Islam teaches. “Nightclubs, for example", he added. "People would tell me it was fine, but I don't go any more because there is alcohol, loud music and scantily-dressed girls. It's a dangerous cocktail. “At Newcastle my friends wanted me to come out with them after the last day of the season. "I went into the club, turned my head from left to right and said to them: 'That's it, I'm off.'” Ba was a hit at St James' Park, scoring 29 goals in 54 Premier League matches between 2011-2013. Since signing up at Stamford Bridge, the Senegal international striker has struggled to recreate that kind of prolific form. Ba scored just once for Chelsea in the second half of last season and has this year found himself of the first-team under returning manager Jose Mourinho. Despite his goal in Saturday's 3-1 defeat of Southampton, Ba is expected to remain as the Blues' third-choice striker behind Fernando Torres and Samuel Eto'o for the Premier League trip to Sunderland on Wednesday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Of all the places you choose to have SDNews as your reference. And So Foot has been known to make up quotes from players before so I wouldn't take them as a credible source either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Aye ana but well there was quotes so who knows, sure Demba will tweet about it if its shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/36784-ba-i-don-t-go-clubbing-after-newcastle.php "I went into the club, turned my head from left to right and said to them: 'That's it, I'm off.'” Of course he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Also, one night out after the season is hardly 'party lifestyle favoured by some Newcastle United players during his time on Tyneside.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
localshop Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What a pufda1!!11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/36784-ba-i-don-t-go-clubbing-after-newcastle.php "I went into the club, turned my head from left to right and said to them: 'That's it, I'm off.'” Of course he did. They somehow missed the rest of that sentence off " to get some trebles down my neck and get balls deep in that scantily clad slapper" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What a ludicrous human being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Why did he go out then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What a twat. Nobody was going to force him to down gallons of Smirnoff Ice and nob a slapper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What was he expecting to see on a night out? and aye i am sure his team mates John Terry and Ashley Cole never get involved with that type of behaviour and scene Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What is this anger about? All the interview says is that he used to do bad things, but has reformed and that he went to an end of season party but left after seeing the environment. You'd think he was burning black and white kits on the Tyne Bridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What is this anger about? All the interview says is that he used to do bad things, but has reformed and that he went to an end of season party but left after seeing the environment. You'd think he was burning black and white kits on the Tyne Bridge I don't think anyone's angry. He just comes across as a sanctimonious tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Wow, you guys need to chill. Think he's just talking about going out in general. Nothing to do with Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What is this anger about? All the interview says is that he used to do bad things, but has reformed and that he went to an end of season party but left after seeing the environment. You'd think he was burning black and white kits on the Tyne Bridge I don't think anyone's angry. He just comes across as a sanctimonious tit. Not really, he's just saying it's not for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I've been out to Newcastle once in my life, it wasn't much different to London really. Weird thing though, I heard at least 3 different guys trying to chat up girls, by claiming to be footballers on trial at Newcastle. Thought that was really bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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