Twinport53 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:28, LoveItIfWeBeatU said: Quote Quote http://www.nufc.com/ Quote Sylvain Marveaux (Guingamp) A calf strain saw the midfielder miss his side's season closing 1-2 defeat at St. Etienne on Saturday night. Marveaux ends his year at Guingamp having made 33 appearances in all competitions and scored three times. He scored no league goals. He scored 2 goals in a Europa League game against PAOK and 1 in the Trophée des Champions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troph%C3%A9e_des_Champions He provided 4 assists in the league, 1 in the Europa League and 1 in the Coupe de France. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sylvain-marveaux/profil/spieler/39909 From this I would conclude that he isn't very good (that doesn't mean he isn't as good or better than some of our other midfielders). 4 more assists in the league wouldn't of helped us like. Ne way. Ligue 1 isn't the Premier League. Most would consider the Premier League to be a step up in quality on Ligue 1. Just because someone can provide 4 assists in Ligue 1 doesn't mean they could in the Premiership. Emmanuel Riviere was Monaco's top goal scorer last season! Quote Wrong. Correction. He has 1 league goal. Wikipedia is wrong. He's already got assists in the PL. Assists that won games. You are talking shit. He's not a world beater, but he would of helped, and the assists could have lead to goals to secure us a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I'm talking shit by saying Sylvain Marveaux isn't very good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:43, LoveItIfWeBeatU said: I'm talking s*** by saying Sylvain Marveaux isn't very good? By totally over exaggerating his lack of ability and claiming he couldn't get assists in the PL? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:43, Twinport53 said: Quote I'm talking s*** by saying Sylvain Marveaux isn't very good? By totally over exaggerating his lack of ability and claiming he couldn't get assists in the PL? Yes. I said he wasn't very good. He hasn't done particularly well in a full season of Ligue 1. I said it was harder to provide assists in the Premier League than in Ligue 1. I also said him not being very good "doesn't mean he isn't as good or better than some of our other midfielders." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 his team finished 10th with -14 goals, it's not like he's gone to a team that's going to dominate games over there is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:47, LoveItIfWeBeatU said: Quote Quote I'm talking s*** by saying Sylvain Marveaux isn't very good? By totally over exaggerating his lack of ability and claiming he couldn't get assists in the PL? Yes. I said he wasn't very good. He hasn't done particularly well in a full season of Ligue 1. I said it was harder to provide assists in the Premier League than in Ligue 1. I also said him not being very good "doesn't mean he isn't as good or better than some of our other midfielders." He got 6 assists in around 1300 minutes of PL football for us. It's not brilliant, but considering he was always coming on as a sub, it's not bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:47, LoveItIfWeBeatU said: Quote Quote I'm talking s*** by saying Sylvain Marveaux isn't very good? By totally over exaggerating his lack of ability and claiming he couldn't get assists in the PL? Yes. I said he wasn't very good. He hasn't done particularly well in a full season of Ligue 1. I said it was harder to provide assists in the Premier League than in Ligue 1. I also said him not being very good "doesn't mean he isn't as good or better than some of our other midfielders." Wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 He is a mediocre player. I don't know why people are taking offence at me stating that. On 24/05/2015 at 10:50, nemtizz said: Wrong. He was on loan there for a full season. It's not my fault he got injuries or wasn't selected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Slagging marv whilst we have the likes of Jonas and Raylor starting today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:52, LoveItIfWeBeatU said: He is a mediocre player. I don't know why people are taking offence at me stating that. Because you are wrong. Nobody said he's a world beater. But he would be a decent option right now. You seem to have a little agenda to negate everything he can do. 1300 minutes is around 14 full games, of which he had 6 assists. Does Gouffran, Sammy, Obertan or Jonas have 6 assists in 14 full games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:52, r0cafella said: Slagging marv whilst we have the likes of Jonas and Raylor starting today. Quote Quote He is a mediocre player. I don't know why people are taking offence at me stating that. Because you are wrong. Nobody said he's a world beater. But he would be a decent option right now. You seem to have a little agenda to negate everything he can do. 1300 minutes is around 14 full games, of which he had 6 assists. Does Gouffran, Sammy, Obertan or Jonas have 6 assists in 14 full games? Quote From this I would conclude that he isn't very good (that doesn't mean he isn't as good or better than some of our other midfielders). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So you have went from saying he isn't very good to he is mediocre The truth is somewhere in between actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:55, Geordie Ahmed said: So you have went from saying he isn't very good to he is mediocre The truth is somewhere in between actually What's the scale though? Shite / Poor / Mediocre / OK / Good / Very Good / Excellent / World Class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 He's better than what we currently have starting by some margin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:58, r0cafella said: He's better than what we currently have starting by some margin. Quote From this I would conclude that he isn't very good (that doesn't mean he isn't as good or better than some of our other midfielders). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:55, LoveItIfWeBeatU said: Quote Slagging marv whilst we have the likes of Jonas and Raylor starting today. Quote Quote He is a mediocre player. I don't know why people are taking offence at me stating that. Because you are wrong. Nobody said he's a world beater. But he would be a decent option right now. You seem to have a little agenda to negate everything he can do. 1300 minutes is around 14 full games, of which he had 6 assists. Does Gouffran, Sammy, Obertan or Jonas have 6 assists in 14 full games? Quote From this I would conclude that he isn't very good (that doesn't mean he isn't as good or better than some of our other midfielders). Look. So far you have said: He hasn't scored in Ligue 1 = Wrong His 4 assists in Ligue 1, means he can't repeat it in the PL. He has 6 PL assists = Wrong You reckon he played a full season at Guingamp, and hasn't = Wrong You also reckon his minutes ratio for Gunigamp is poor, despite them being midtable with poor goal difference and they have competed in Europe with an average squad. Added to which somebody said some of his appearances were as a striker. If we aren't comparing him to our own squad, why exactly did you take interest in digging up this information? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Given the context is him playing for NUFC I'm not sure what the point is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 10:58, LoveItIfWeBeatU said: Quote So you have went from saying he isn't very good to he is mediocre The truth is somewhere in between actually What's the scale though? s**** / Poor / Mediocre / OK / Good / Very Good / Excellent / World Class No idea, you are throwing the labels around, I watch Marveaux play and I certainly don't see a mediocre player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I've said it about a million times, and while I'm a fan of Cabella, he hasn't done anything near to the actual meaningful contribution that Sylvain had when he was actually on the pitch for us in a #10 role. Just saying. Stop fucking judging players who were the antithesis of Alan Pardew's grafter fetish and realize that we've wasted numerous talented players through poor coaching, awful tactics, and emphasis on playing players out of their natural positions for the sake of a tackle or 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 On 24/05/2015 at 12:02, Kanji said: I've said it about a million times, and while I'm a fan of Cabella, he hasn't done anything near to the actual meaningful contribution that Sylvain had when he was actually on the pitch for us in a #10 role. Just saying. Stop fucking judging players who were the antithesis of Alan Pardew's grafter fetish and realize that we've wasted numerous talented players through poor coaching, awful tactics, and emphasis on playing players out of their natural positions for the sake of a tackle or 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Interesting to see if he is involved in pre-season. Hope so, classy player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Hadn't give it any thought that he may get another chance under McClaren. Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Wtf? He's still here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Assume he comes back from loan like anybody would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I really hope every single player that was "shit" under pardew gets a chance, and proves without doubt what an absolute calamity of a coach Pardew and team were Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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